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Old 02-17-2013, 02:39 AM  
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Would you trade the no. 1 pick for Cam Newton?
We ran into this topic late Saturday night in another thread.

I personally don't like Cam at all. He's got a ton of talent, but is an absolute idiot. He can't even learn a full playbook. Newton has put up some big numbers, but they haven't translated into a lot of wins.

He is 13-19 as a starter over 2 years.

58.9% comp | 7,920 yards pass | 40 passing TDs | 29 INTS | 1,447 rush yards | 22 rushing TDs |

Would you give up our no. 1 pick for Cam Newton?
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:31 PM   #271
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For those who would take Geno over Cam, go on record. What do you expect from Geno in his rookie season, and how many games do you think he will win if drafted by KC?
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:31 PM   #272
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Here's an average game in Cam Newton's career if you divide his stats by 32:

250 yards passing
50 yards rushing
2 TDs (combined)
1 turnover (interceptions and fumbles)
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What part about "I don't care about his stats" do you not get?

He's a crybaby diva with very little going on upstairs.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:32 PM   #273
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Not sure how well Cam would fit in a WCO like Reid wants to run, doesn't have very good accuracy.
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His physical skills are off the chart, but I don't know enough about his intangibles to say that I would NOT want him in KC.

Fans don't have a good read on this. We'd have to be privy to interviews, etc.
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I dunno about that.
I do. All day long.

Cam Newton is a more physically gifted version of Vince Young or a little bit taller Tim Tebow without the leadership skills and positive mores. Questionable pass accuracy, me first attitude, bad real time decision making, questionable leadership skills. His pysical skills translated extremely well to the college level, but running through guys from the QB position isn't going to happen in the NFL. Last guy who was effective at that was Steve Young, and he also had exceptional accuracy in the pass.

Personally, I think he (Newton) has already hit his ceiling.
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For those who would take Geno over Cam, go on record. What do you expect from Geno in his rookie season, and how many games do you think he will win if drafted by KC?
Dude, I actually agree with you on alot of this but this question is disingenuous at best.

You just spent an hour arguing about Cam's stats and then you want to know about WINS.

Cam Newton won 6 games his rookie season and 7 this season.

Which is it? Stats? Or wins?
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Dude, I actually agree with you on alot of this but this question is disingenuous at best.

You just spent an hour arguing about Cam's stats and then you want to know about WINS.

Cam Newton won 6 games his rookie season and 7 this season.

Which is it? Stats? Or wins?
I want to know both. Why is that disingenuous? His physical performance will show itself through stats. These supposed intangibles should manifest themselves through wins.

I think Geno's stats will be laughable compared to Newton's, and I don't think he wins more than 6 games, either...and I WANT us to draft him.
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For those who would take Geno over Cam, go on record. What do you expect from Geno in his rookie season, and how many games do you think he will win if drafted by KC?
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9-7 for Geno in his rookie season if drafted by the Chiefs with a +/- 1. (i.e., 8-8 or 10-6 are possible.)
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I want to know both. Why is that disingenuous? His physical performance will show itself through stats. These supposed intangibles should manifest themselves through wins.

I think Geno's stats will be laughable compared to Newton's, and I don't think he wins more than 6 games, either...and I WANT us to draft him.
This team might be able to win 6 games with MATT CASSEL under center, that's how much better Reid and his staff are than Romeo.

With an upgrade at QB, they'll win more than 6 games guaranteed.
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For those who would take Geno over Cam, go on record. What do you expect from Geno in his rookie season, and how many games do you think he will win if drafted by KC?
I'd assume currently that with Geno starting, the Chiefs are capable of splitting with Oakland and SD, and getting wins against Jacksonville, Cleveland and maybe Tennessee. Not knowing the schedule and who is on rosters yet kinda hinders my guess.

I'd expect (viewing this from coach perspective) 60% completion, YPA at 7, and a 2-1 TD/INT ratio.

I think that is reasonable and probably attainable given the situation he'd be coming into and the weak teams he'll get in the division.

I'm not expecting him to out perform Cam stat wise next year. I am expecting him to out perform him in terms of accuracy and pocket presence (comparing him to rookie Cam of course)
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Holy shit, people...you really are delusional.

I count six almost certain losses: Denver, Denver, Houston, Indianapolis, New York, Washington.

I count zero sure wins, and two where I think we would be favored by more than a FG (Oakland and Cleveland). Even if you chalk those up as wins (dumb) and split the rest, that's 6-10.
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Man if Geno turns out to have a bad NFL career some of these threads are going to be a gold mine.
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Man if Geno turns out to have a bad NFL career some of these threads are going to be a gold mine.
Did you get permabanned from whatever shithole Jags board you came from or something?

Why are you even here?
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Did you get permabanned from whatever shithole Jags board you came from or something?

Why are you even here?
You draft before us. And I am a big Geno/Barkley fan.

That doesn't make a lot of these posts any less crazy.
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Man if Geno turns out to have a bad NFL career some of these threads are going to be a gold mine.
Not to worry. The LOW END of his possible win totals next year will be six games better than last year. It will probably be seven or eight, though.
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