We are in a GREAT position

[Royal Fanatic]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

You bring up some points, but we have 40 years of evidence of how the team approaches things. After 40 plus years of half-assed approaches, they no longer get the benefit of the doubt.

The first 37 years of evidence aren't exactly relevant. You can't hold Pioli accountable for the mistakes that were made before he got here.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Royal Fanatic

The first 37 years of evidence aren't exactly relevant. You can't hold Pioli accountable for the mistakes that were made before he got here.

We can hold him accountable for making the same mistakes they were making before he got here.

It is not hard to understand really, he could have spent 2 days reading, and found out what they were.

They appear to be mandated.

[scho63]

Originally Posted by Royal Fanatic

The first 37 years of evidence aren't exactly relevant. You can't hold Pioli accountable for the mistakes that were made before he got here.

Oh really? This franchise has been ruled by only one family and it's their record we have to go by. if the Hunt Family was an employee for any company and we needed to evaluate their record, the answer would be; "YOU'RE FIRED!"

"Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it"-Winston Churchill

[Fish]

Originally Posted by durtyrute

I've been sitting back, going through these threads for the last couple of days reading how: if we keep Romeo that means Cassel, if we would've gotten McD that meant Cassel, Pioli has the biggest ego, Clark Hunt is cheap, 40 years means we will never get a QB and on and on and on.

When Clark officially took over what did he do? He went out and got the best candidate for the job. Whatever the price, he paid it. Then Pioli brought in Haley, who just came from the SuperBowl. (Seemed good at the time and there weren't too many complaints when we went to the playoffs) Then Pioli got us a QB and a Vet LB for a second round pick. (Again, it seemed good at the time, and Cassel did pretty good the season before and when we went to the playoffs) The first draft was a bust, but that is not on the Clarks...lol, that's Pioli and his goons right there. We bring in some cast offs and try to make them stick, most don't, (again, the goons plus Haley at work) Season is a bust and we sucked.

Next season, bring in the best OC and DC you can get, money be damned. The draft was a huge success. We get some decent free agents. No, big names, but we did alright. Haley is almost the coach of the year. Cassel backs that ass up right into the playoffs. We lose, we suck again.

This season, the draft seems alright, shortened offseason, weird preseason (you can debate that if you choose). Injuries, suckage, injuries, suckage, Palko, ultimate suckage, Haley gone, Orton, succesful suckage, season over, RAC city.

Now here we are and all you guys can say is Clark never spends, even though he got the best: GM, OC, DC and OC (Haley) money could buy. For the most part he has signed all of the players we need to keep. Looks like he is spending to me. The whole Smith thing I don't know what that was, so if you feel you must count that then go ahead.

We have a GM that is on his last leg. You guys talk about his ego, for one, most people have egos especially in pro sports, so who cares if he does? For two, do you really think he's going to let the season go to shit because of Cassel? Why would he do that? Oh, he won't bench or cut him because that's admitting a mistake, well Todd Haley says hi.

Now the draft a QB thing. The ****ing draft hasn't even happened yet, shit the SuperBowl hasn't happened and you guys are crying about shit that has happened in the past that has nothing to do with the future. We don't know if we will trade up or not. No one in the organization has been in this situation before, not Pioli or Clark, so can we atleast wait for the draft. As i've shown, Clark is doing what he thinks is right and plus he's a business man he's not going to blow his money because some people in a forum want him too.

I for one think we are in a great position both Pioli and Rac are trying to save there asses and if it comes down to Pioli or Cassel who do you think will be gone first. Now, if we don't sign Bowe and Carr, go into the season with just Cassel and don't draft a qb or at least let Stanzi battle with Cassel then we should burn the place down, but until then.....

That's a contradictory mess of stupid.

[L.A. Chieffan]

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[scho63]

We are in GREAT shape??? Are you smoking crack????

1971-2011
40 years
11 playoff appearances
3-11 = .214 winning percentage
18 fucking years without a playoff win
ONE Conference Championship game (thanks to Joe Montana-who by the way has 66% of our playoff wins in the last 40 years)
ZERO Super Bowl appearances

Yeah, I feel real great.....

[Hydrae]

Originally Posted by scho63

We are in GREAT shape??? Are you smoking crack????

1971-2011
40 years
11 playoff appearances
3-11 = .214 winning percentage
18 fucking years without a playoff win
ONE Conference Championship game (thanks to Joe Montana-who by the way has 66% of our playoff wins in the last 40 years)
ZERO Super Bowl appearances

Yeah, I feel real great.....

This is the poster child of what the OP was talking about. We Chiefs fans can get so wrapped up in our past that we neglect to look forward sometimes (often).

Yes, we are in great shape. We almost won our division with three (four if you want to count the worthless QB) of our best players on the sideline for the entire season. With them coming back, and our youngsters with another year of experience, we have a solid shot at a very good season coming up. But around here it is all doom and gloom. Buck up folks, this team is moving in the right direction and should have a solid future ahead.

Now if only we had a competent QB...

[Rasputin]

With the new rookie cap space in place, there is absolutely no excuse for us not to go out of our way to draft a highly touted QBotf.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Hydrae

This is the poster child of what the OP was talking about. We Chiefs fans can get so wrapped up in our past that we neglect to look forward sometimes (often).

Yes, we are in great shape. We almost won our division with three (four if you want to count the worthless QB) of our best players on the sideline for the entire season. With them coming back, and our youngsters with another year of experience, we have a solid shot at a very good season coming up. But around here it is all doom and gloom. Buck up folks, this team is moving in the right direction and should have a solid future ahead.

Now if only we had a competent QB...

I keep hearing that this team is built to win and we're in good shape for the future and then it's all qualified with "but we still need a QB".

Does everybody realize that the part in bold is quite possibly the MOST difficult thing to fix in all of football? Without the QB, we're not "built" for anything. We're not in great shape, AT ALL.

[scho63]

Originally Posted by Hydrae

This is the poster child of what the OP was talking about. We Chiefs fans can get so wrapped up in our past that we neglect to look forward sometimes (often).

Yes, we are in great shape. We almost won our division with three (four if you want to count the worthless QB) of our best players on the sideline for the entire season. With them coming back, and our youngsters with another year of experience, we have a solid shot at a very good season coming up. But around here it is all doom and gloom. Buck up folks, this team is moving in the right direction and should have a solid future ahead.

Now if only we had a competent QB...

I have been looking forward for 40 straight years and I always start out as a cock-eyed optimist but the Chiefs bring me right back to planet Earth.

Here's a little history lesson/reminder if you are old enough: During our glory days of playoff appearances in the 90's, we were scoring like Charlie Sheen at a hookers convention but we had a TERRIBLE defense that couldn't stop anyone and we lost many games like 41-38.

This year it's all about our pathetic offense that can't score a fucking point in the Red Zone and was the lowest scoring team in our history!

What's the point to this? There is always an excuse with this team from some angle.

My theory after 40 years of pain for this management: Put up or shut up!

I like a lot of what I see but I also see very little depth and a horrible offense.

[CoMoChief]

This is a GM who foolishly went into his first draft blindfolded. Wasn't the previous regime's scouting dept still getting info for the upcoming draft, which wasn't that far away, and Pioli just kicked them all to the curb and basically said **** it, I'll do this with some little info I got from when I was in NE?

At the time, we desperately needed to do something about a QB. Thigpen or Croyle weren't ever going to cut it and everyone knew that. So obviously it was the right move at the time. Problem is, Cassel still sucks, and now we can't still spend another season wondering if Cassel is going to cut it while he learns under and new OC (whoever that may be).

[kaplin42]

Originally Posted by durtyrute

I've been sitting back, going through these threads for the last couple of days reading how: if we keep Romeo that means Cassel, if we would've gotten McD that meant Cassel, Pioli has the biggest ego, Clark Hunt is cheap, 40 years means we will never get a QB and on and on and on.

When Clark officially took over what did he do? He went out and got the best candidate for the job. Whatever the price, he paid it. Then Pioli brought in Haley, who just came from the SuperBowl. (Seemed good at the time and there weren't too many complaints when we went to the playoffs) Then Pioli got us a QB and a Vet LB for a second round pick. (Again, it seemed good at the time, and Cassel did pretty good the season before and when we went to the playoffs) The first draft was a bust, but that is not on the Clarks...lol, that's Pioli and his goons right there. We bring in some cast offs and try to make them stick, most don't, (again, the goons plus Haley at work) Season is a bust and we sucked.

Next season, bring in the best OC and DC you can get, money be damned. The draft was a huge success. We get some decent free agents. No, big names, but we did alright. Haley is almost the coach of the year. Cassel backs that ass up right into the playoffs. We lose, we suck again.

This season, the draft seems alright, shortened offseason, weird preseason (you can debate that if you choose). Injuries, suckage, injuries, suckage, Palko, ultimate suckage, Haley gone, Orton, succesful suckage, season over, RAC city.

Now here we are and all you guys can say is Clark never spends, even though he got the best: GM, OC, DC and OC (Haley) money could buy. For the most part he has signed all of the players we need to keep. Looks like he is spending to me. The whole Smith thing I don't know what that was, so if you feel you must count that then go ahead.

We have a GM that is on his last leg. You guys talk about his ego, for one, most people have egos especially in pro sports, so who cares if he does? For two, do you really think he's going to let the season go to shit because of Cassel? Why would he do that? Oh, he won't bench or cut him because that's admitting a mistake, well Todd Haley says hi.

Now the draft a QB thing. The ****ing draft hasn't even happened yet, shit the SuperBowl hasn't happened and you guys are crying about shit that has happened in the past that has nothing to do with the future. We don't know if we will trade up or not. No one in the organization has been in this situation before, not Pioli or Clark, so can we atleast wait for the draft. As i've shown, Clark is doing what he thinks is right and plus he's a business man he's not going to blow his money because some people in a forum want him too.

I for one think we are in a great position both Pioli and Rac are trying to save there asses and if it comes down to Pioli or Cassel who do you think will be gone first. Now, if we don't sign Bowe and Carr, go into the season with just Cassel and don't draft a qb or at least let Stanzi battle with Cassel then we should burn the place down, but until then.....

TLDR = Clark Hunt's boy butter is a perferct spread on my morning toast.

[Mile High Mania]

I think KC is in a great position because they will get Charles, Moeaki and Berry back from injury in 2012 ... that's what really tanked your season. Maybe they can tinker with and screw up the mix now.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Buncha of negative nellys around here. You know what everybody on this board needs? a lithium, or maybe a diet coke

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

Buncha of negative nellys around here. You know what everybody on this board needs? a lithium, or maybe a diet coke

A new QB would heal A LOT of wounds.