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View Poll Results: Should steroids be a consideration for HOF voting?
No, steroids are not an issue 12 22.64%
Yes, but not an eliminating factor 17 32.08%
Yes, steroids undermined the game 24 45.28%
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Old 06-19-2012, 04:22 PM   #1
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Not a chance that will have anything to do with it.
Yes it will, in my opinion.
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Old 06-19-2012, 04:50 PM   #2
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Bonds will get in because the writers don't want to be called racists. Once they let him in it's going to allow Clemens and others to get in.
There are plenty of black dudes already in the HOF.
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There are plenty of black dudes already in the HOF.
From the steroid era?
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Old 06-19-2012, 04:53 PM   #4
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From the steroid era?
Ken Griffey Jr will be 1st ballot.
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Old 06-19-2012, 04:55 PM   #5
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Ken Griffey Jr will be 1st ballot.
He wasn't associated with Balco or steroids. I'm using Bonds as a standard for guys whose careers have been associated with steroids.
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Old 06-19-2012, 04:57 PM   #6
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LOL well I'd have to look that up but I'm sure Bonds wouldn't be the first. That's not my point anyway. I'm saying I don't believe if Bonds doesn't make it, it will be because he's black. He was an asshole to the media... and they have a vote. The "perception that he cheated" is strong so others who vote won't likely like that. Pete Rose cheated and he's not in... is that racist?

It wouldn't surprise me if Bonds played the race card if he doesn't get in but really who takes that seriously anymore except for the one accusing people of it?
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LOL well I'd have to look that up but I'm sure Bonds wouldn't be the first. That's not my point anyway. I'm saying I don't believe if Bonds doesn't make it, it will be because he's black. He was an asshole to the media... and they have a vote. The "perception that he cheated" is strong so others who vote won't likely like that. Pete Rose cheated and he's not in... is that racist?

It wouldn't surprise me if Bonds played the race card if he doesn't get in but really who takes that seriously anymore except for the one accusing people of it?
My initial point is that there's going to be steroid era guys that come up for vote. If a voter now says no to McGwire there's no real risk of any backlash. Even with Clemens there wouldn't be.
But I remember when Bonds was going for the HR record under a cloud of steroids use. The radio conversation was largely about race. If a HOF voter says no to Bonds he may open himself up to a discussion about race, or someone saying he's racist. Especially if he's a guy like Richard Justice that does radio and has fans call in the show. I think some of them may just say, "You know what? He was a HOFer already. I don't want to get into a racial debate. I'm just going to vote him in." Then once that happens, how do you say no to Clemens?
Pete Rose is banned from baseball and therefore not eligible for the HOF anyway.
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Old 06-19-2012, 06:51 PM   #8
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Bonds will get in because the writers don't want to be called racists.
That is a bizarre opinion.
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That is a bizarre opinion.
It's a realistic one, in my opinion.
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steroids doesn't improve hand/eye coord.
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No. But it makes you build muscle, with makes you stronger, which can give you a quicker bat swing/more power.
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Nope, but it does turn fly outs into homeruns and simple groundouts into basehits.
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Let's not start this again. If steroids doesn't help baseball players, they wouldn't take it and numbers would not have been at a historical high. There were more players that hit 50 home runs in the approximately 15 years of the steroid era than had in the 70 years since the dead ball era. Barry Bonds is one of only three players in history whose numbers went up after age 35. The other two were Tris Speaker, who was effected by the dead ball era, and Paul Molitor who was finally healthy after becoming a DH. Bonds numbers didn't just jump, they went through the roof.
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A better question would be, should the media have any say in HOF voting. My answer would be a definitive NO!!!!
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A better question would be, should the media have any say in HOF voting. My answer would be a definitive NO!!!!
Players haven't been much better. The Veterans Committee is famous for ex-players voting their teamates in. The writers are actually ticked at them for dropping the standards by letting in their rejects.
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