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Old 10-26-2005, 05:22 PM  
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Don't you Remember Marty-Ball??
Didn't anyone on this BB watch Shottenheimer throw away the Chargers game last week with his locked-in, play it safe, Martyball? Going for Field Goals instead of touchdowns cost them the game against the Eagles, who go for it at all costs. I look for Philadelphia to do us another favor when they visit Denver this weekend. The Chiefs will open up a can of OFFENSE, and let the team of Vermeil and Cunningham teach their predecessor a lesson in when to use conservative playcalling. The films of the Chiefs' first six games won't tip their hand with regard to the offensive potential this team possesses. I have a feeling Mr. Martyball has been watching them over his shoulder since draft day.
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Old 10-26-2005, 07:08 PM   #31
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So he gets the ball and is in FG range and you terd think he should go deep when a FG seals the deal?
Nothing wrong with going deep, but that isn't what I'm talking about.

Marty's mentality is "We are in FG range, we don't won't to make a mistake and give up points"

An attacking mentality is making play calls with the idea of scoring a TD.
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Old 10-26-2005, 07:09 PM   #32
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Dude, he did the same thing agains the Jets in the playoff game, they missed the FG.

He is haunted by "The Fumble". He doesn't ever want that to happen again, and it has hamstrung his decision making at critical junctures of the game.

He should just say fug it, I am gonna go for it on fourth down and one on the other teams side of the field regardless of the situation for a whole season, just so he won't second guess, see how good it feels, then move on with his life.

How come the Tuna, when he was with the Giants, always went for it on 4rth and one, and usually got the first?

He just has to look at those players and say, I trust you guys, don't let me down. Now go get the job done.
Said it so much better than me!
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Old 10-26-2005, 07:15 PM   #33
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Said it so much better than me!
Martyball drove me away from the Chiefs for a few years. I just couldn't take the chit anymore. He picked a fine time to leave me Lucille, "resigned" right when we are on the downs of a cycle, then lands in San Diego. Fug that ashat.
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Old 10-26-2005, 07:18 PM   #34
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I agree that Marty wasn't attacking the Philly D with 3:29 left in the game. But that Philly D was awesome that D, LT (The best player in the entire NFL if you ask) had been held to like 12 yards or something. Likewise the Charges D held McNabb and co to just 13 points. If they Kick a FG and make it he is up 7 with 2 minutes left to play, hell I like those odds considering the Philly offense really didn't do anything all day. Hindsight is 20/20, three running plays to a back was dumb, I give you that. But if you were watching the same game I was Philly was going down until a blocked FG for a TD.
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Old 10-26-2005, 07:25 PM   #35
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I agree that Marty wasn't attacking the Philly D with 3:29 left in the game. But that Philly D was awesome that D, LT (The best player in the entire NFL if you ask) had been held to like 12 yards or something. Likewise the Charges D held McNabb and co to just 13 points. If they Kick a FG and make it he is up 7 with 2 minutes left to play, hell I like those odds considering the Philly offense really didn't do anything all day. Hindsight is 20/20, three running plays to a back was dumb, I give you that. But if you were watching the same game I was Philly was going down until a blocked FG for a TD.
And I have every confidence that Marty, in his infinite wisdom, would go into a prevent D, allowing McNabb to march the Eagles right down the field for a game tying TD.

After that, it's anyone's game in OT, but I'd I'd put my money on whoever Marty isn't coaching.
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Old 10-26-2005, 07:28 PM   #36
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Old 10-26-2005, 07:29 PM   #37
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I agree that Marty wasn't attacking the Philly D with 3:29 left in the game. But that Philly D was awesome that D, LT (The best player in the entire NFL if you ask) had been held to like 12 yards or something. Likewise the Charges D held McNabb and co to just 13 points. If they Kick a FG and make it he is up 7 with 2 minutes left to play, hell I like those odds considering the Philly offense really didn't do anything all day. Hindsight is 20/20, three running plays to a back was dumb, I give you that. But if you were watching the same game I was Philly was going down until a blocked FG for a TD.
With all that success running the ball, it makes you wonder Just WTF was in Marty's head, running the ball 3 times with the game on the line?

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Old 10-26-2005, 07:31 PM   #38
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And I have every confidence that Marty, in his infinite wisdom, would go into a prevent D, allowing McNabb to march the Eagles right down the field for a game tying TD.

After that, it's anyone's game in OT, but I'd I'd put my money on whoever Marty isn't coaching.
His strategy works great against teams like the Raiders, you know, teams that have a tendence to commit penalties and make mistakes. Problem with his philosophy this year, is that he has very few weak teams on his schedule with which to use that philosophy on.
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Don't forget that Tomlinson was getting stuffed all day in that game with a career low 7 yards on the whole day. Drew Brees should've done a keeper, since he was the leading Chargers rusher that day.

Pee - shah.... Chiefs will stuff them just like they did to Ricky Williams last week!
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Old 10-26-2005, 07:32 PM   #40
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I have to go home now, but I leave you all with this. During his KC years, I took to calling Marty, "Shortenheimer". Because he always comes up short.

He hasn't let me down since he left KC either.
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The Eagles got lucky, return a blocked FG for a TD? Marty just has some bad ass luck. And LT can take it to the house any time he is handed the ball, so ya can't blame Marty for giving the ball to his best player.
Yeah, and if Caldwell just covers the damn ball up they kick the tying FG at the very least.
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"ya can't blame Marty for giving the ball to his best player."

I blame him if the guy only has seven yards in the whole game!!!!!!!!
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Yeah, and if Caldwell just covers the damn ball up they kick the tying FG at the very least.

Gawd!!! Let's hope it doesn't come down to a Field Goal situation this week. I don't have any fingernails left from the Vikings/Packers game last week.
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The Eagles got lucky, return a blocked FG for a TD? Marty just has some bad ass luck. And LT can take it to the house any time he is handed the ball, so ya can't blame Marty for giving the ball to his best player.
The Eagles may have gotten lucky by getting a return TD off a blocked field goal, yes. But there's no way that luck has anything to do with Marty. A couple times could be called luck, sure. But when a head coach has this happen again and again and again thoughout a career in it's 3rd decade, it becomes obvious that his conservative nature has been the root of most of his so called "bad luck". Calling it bad luck is just an excuse.
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I remember this weekend it was 4th down and Bree's and Co. came out and i was like ive seen this before...

They were just trying to get the offsides or encroahment or something.. No Balls to go for it on 4th down
That was always something that pissed me off to no end. They would line up, shift around a couple times, and try to pull them offsides with some hard "hut huts".
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