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Old 10-13-2012, 02:09 PM  
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Clark caught between a rock and a hard place
Clark is in a Catch-22. If he lets Pioli go now, there will be the perception among the fans, owners, and the NFL in general that he doesn't really make the decisions around here- he will be percieved as beeing subject to the whims of the fans. On the other hand, if he doesn't let Pioli go, he will have totally alienated the entire fan base who makes his team profitable (outside of TV revenues). The Chiefs have made one PR blunder after another this year and fans are on the verge of outright revolt.

In all seriousness, if you are Clark- and view this purely as a business decision- what is your next move?
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Old 10-13-2012, 03:27 PM   #31
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How in the hell did the 49ers have so much success in year one under Harbaugh?

Must have been magic.
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Old 10-13-2012, 03:27 PM   #32
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Houston changed their scheme in one offseason and hit the ground rolling.
so did St. louis, it appears

but most of the time it doesn't seem to work that way
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Old 10-13-2012, 03:32 PM   #33
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A GMs job is to find a franchise qb and then build around him. If your choice is the wrong one, you try again and again until you get one. Piolis problem is that he tried, but is too stubborn to admit he whiffed.

Tannehill should be a Chief.
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Old 10-13-2012, 03:34 PM   #34
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Most owners are not going to want to blow it up after just 4/5 years.

Another thing that might lead to it is if Crennel can't get/keep the team motivated.

If the team falls asleep then Crennel will have to go.

Firing the head coach again will be a partial 'blow up' which could lead to Pioli getting the boot too.

The Chiefs haven't won enough that's for sure.

Also depends on the viable candidates at GM/HC as replacements.
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Old 10-13-2012, 03:36 PM   #35
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Most owners are not going to want to blow it up after just 4/5 years.


What?

It happens all the ****ing time.

Four years is an eternity in the NFL.
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A GMs job is to find a franchise qb and then build around him. If your choice is the wrong one, you try again and again until you get one. Piolis problem is that he tried, but is too stubborn to admit he whiffed.

Tannehill should be a Chief.
all true

and if Pioli does stay then he will have one more year to get that franchise QB ... his job will depend on it. IMO
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Old 10-13-2012, 03:39 PM   #37
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and if Pioli does stay then he will have one more year to get that franchise QB ... his job will depend on it. IMO
And you want Scott Pioli to be the guy to make that decision? His QB evaluation skills weren't bad enough when he spent $63 million on Matt Cassel? No. **** that guy. Get somebody in here that knows what the hell they're doing.
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Old 10-13-2012, 03:44 PM   #38
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another thing that will influence Pioli keeping his job ... what happened with Peyton Manning.

1) If the Hunt and/or Pioli decided that they didn't think giving an injured Manning a 20 million dollar per year contract. Then it wasn't really ON Pioli and therefore he tried to upgrade the QB position last year.

2) If Manning really didn't come to KC because of some agent grudge against Pioli then it would be consider another Pioli QB failure.

big difference
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Old 10-13-2012, 03:46 PM   #39
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and if Pioli does stay then he will have one more year to get that franchise QB ... his job will depend on it. IMO
**** that. Listen to yourself, dude.

You think Pioli should be the one to chose this teams next quarterback?

He saw Cassel every day in NE and still gave him a 63 million dollar contract and handcuffed him to wheel of this team.

Palko
Quinn

The guy is so terrible at picking quarterbacks he has me questioning Stanzi.

Pioli needs to go and an up and coming guy with an eye for talent needs to take over and get a shot at picking our next quarterback.

Let me ask you this:

What has Pioli done to make you think he deserves to pick a franchise quarterback?
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This definitely hasn't been discussed and was absolutely worthy of a new thread.
SHUT THE **** UP!
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another thing that will influence Pioli keeping his job ... what happened with Peyton Manning.

1) If the Hunt and/or Pioli decided that they didn't think giving an injured Manning a 20 million dollar per year contract. Then it wasn't really ON Pioli and therefore he tried to upgrade the QB position last year.

2) If Manning really didn't come to KC because of some agent grudge against Pioli then it would be consider another Pioli QB failure.

big difference
Both Hunt AND Pioli both have said that there is no limitation on spending.

FFS Laz...Clark wrote checks to Matt Cassel for similar amounts over his first 3 years in KC...Do you really think Clark would go on tv and say publicly he wants Manning to be a Chief after writing those checks and then veto the cost?

Listen to yourself.

Pioli needs to go drown in an aids pool.
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**** that. Listen to yourself, dude.

You think Pioli should be the one to chose this teams next quarterback?

He saw Cassel every day in NE and still gave him a 63 million dollar contract and handcuffed him to wheel of this team.

Palko
Quinn

The guy is so terrible at picking quarterbacks he has me questioning Stanzi.

Pioli needs to go and an up and coming guy with an eye for talent needs to take over and get a shot at picking our next quarterback.

Let me ask you this:

What has Pioli done to make you think he deserves to pick a franchise quarterback?
Pioli saw Cassel do it in New England bought in ... it was a big mistake.

Thigpen - Gailey guy
Palko - Haley guy
Quinn - Crennel guy

overall talent level on this team seems better to me than it has in a decade

He's done it before ... Tom Brady
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still waiting for any proof
Scott Pioli micromanages
  • Kent Babb has detailed plenty of stories surrounding this. This wasn't just a janitor. This was a professional report that used a ton of interviews and sources to put the picture together. If Pioli is upset about it, then maybe the ****er should have had the guts to actually entertain Babb's request for comment. Even Clark Hunt and Mark Donovan had the balls to discuss it.
  • Bob Gretz wrote in a follow-up that the micromanagement was coming all the way from Texas. He didn't specify what, but it sure sounded like it was all the way down to lineup changes and game planning
  • When was the last time you heard a player go off-script? The comment was made that when Eric Berry's class did their first interviews, they were already talking like robots.
  • There was buzz at the combine that everybody was well aware of the Chiefs' toxic environment
  • Matt Cassel. Romeo Crennel made several public comments about wanting QB competition. Not a backup. Competition. He clearly liked Orton, he raved about Peyton Manning, and he said Cassel was not guaranteed a starting job. The FIRST person to say Cassel was the clear starter was Scott Pioli, not Romeo. Fast forward to 2012. Romeo and Daboll design an offense that runs the ball 80% of the time while only having Cassel throw dump-off passes. I don't know how much clearer it could be that Romeo and Daboll have no confidence in the QB.
  • Dick Haley told Todd Haley he couldn't win with Cassel as a QB. You'd have to think Todd would at least consider his father's advice. There are reports from yet another insider who suggests that Charlie Weis didn't like Cassel either. So you have 4 coaches who have shown clearly that they did not like the QB, and yet he continues to start and for 4 years has no competition.
  • What offense and defense are we running? How many coaches have we hired during that time frame? Scott Pioli has hired 2 defensive coordinators, 3 offensive coordinators, and 2 head coaches. All 3 offensive coordinators ran the Erhardt-Perkins offense. All our defensive coordinators run 2-gap 3-4. Haley's experience was in a Whisenhunt offense and he hired Clancy Pendergast, whose experience is in a 1-gap defense
  • Oh hey, let's not forget that Charlie Weis screamed up and down that he wanted Jimmy Clausen. The Chiefs passed up on him twice. Regardless of how good Clausen was, this is yet another experienced coach who hated our QB yet was not allowed to get rid of him.
  • Connect the dots to the Pendergast comment. Haley threw a shit fit when Tyson Jackson was drafted. It sure seemed from day 1 that Haley was never allowed to run the offense or defense he wanted to because it wasn't exactly what Pioli wanted.
  • Babb alleges in a separate report that Pioli dictated roster decisions to Pioli

Scott Pioli is a bully to the media
  • Fact: Scott Pioli locked out the media - This is indisputable. Mark Donovan confirmed this in Arrowhead Anxiety. It involved shutting media guys out, closing the shades in offices, and practices. And we feel it as fans. There aren't stories written about our players. Our players talk in scripts rather than talking candidly.
  • Fact: Scott Pioli pays way too much attention to what the media says about him and his Chiefs - Talk to anyone who has ever written for the Chiefs, whether that's the Kansas City Star or just some small time blog. Scott Pioli will contact you if he doesn't like the kind of store you write.

I honestly don't know what more proof you want.
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Both Hunt AND Pioli both have said that there is no limitation on spending.

FFS Laz...Clark wrote checks to Matt Cassel for similar amounts over his first 3 years in KC...Do you really think Clark would go on tv and say publicly he wants Manning to be a Chief after writing those checks and then veto the cost?

Listen to yourself.

Pioli needs to go drown in an aids pool.
yea, well i find it very hard to believe that Manning didn't come to KC because his agent and Pioli didn't get along.

I've seen no indication that Pioli has that same personality issues with agents that Carl Peterson did.

no limitations on spending isn't that same as deciding that giving a huge contract to an older guy with mulitiple neck surgeries isn't a good idea. But i don't know who would make that decision ... Pioli or Clark or Both.
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HMOG head in the sand.

I don't care if Haley stood on a table and threatened to kill Piolis hairless cat if he didn't sign Palko...his job is to NOT make poor decisions and to find a franchise quarterback.

There is NO SCENARIO that Palko would have EVER been that guy.

He traded Thigpen because he didn't want any competition for his chosen guy...nothing more.

Please...don't give Pioli credit for Brady...he didn't want to draft him at all.

Quinn is Romeos guy? Hahahahahahahahahahahagajahshschsgahahahaga

Have you listened to a word Romeo has said?

Hey, Romeo, what do you like about Quinn?

"Well, he's tall and he has nice hair"

Give me a ****ing break.
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