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Old 12-21-2006, 10:05 PM  
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:18 PM   #46
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And got choked in SB's. 55-10 to Mr. Montana.
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:18 PM   #47
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you are wrong on the heart of Montana. Montana did not have the arm of most of the top 30 qb's of all time, but he had more heart than most of them. With all due respect halfcan, stick to what made you famous...YouTube - Rush 2112
Compared to Marino? Dan the man used to fire his team up like no other-the guy had the heart of a lion. He came back from a knee injury that would have ended most QB's career.

Steve Young was a better all around QB than Montana. That guy was a warrior.
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:19 PM   #48
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If you want to talk about pure talent-how can Slingin Sammy Baugh be off your guys list.

He won Championships, held 11 passing records, plus played Punter and Cornerback. In 1943 led the league in passing, punting and interceptions-a triple crown.

His 51.4 punting average is still a record plus he complete 70 percent of his passes in 45. QBs were not pampered like they are today.

Montana never did that.
And Baugh played in an era when the forward pass was still a relatively novel idea, and few teams utilized it to the same extent.

Defenses weren't as complex as they are today.
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:20 PM   #49
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Compared to Marino? Dan the man used to fire his team up like no other-the guy had the heart of a lion. He came back from a knee injury that would have ended most QB's career.

Steve Young was a better all around QB than Montana. That guy was a warrior.
You really are a freakin' moron.
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:22 PM   #50
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Compared to Marino? Dan the man used to fire his team up like no other-the guy had the heart of a lion. He came back from a knee injury that would have ended most QB's career.

Steve Young was a better all around QB than Montana. That guy was a warrior.
Was marino beaten by Mr. Montana in the superbowl too? Knee injury< back injury. Steve Young needed an injury to take joes job. After Joe came back, Young brought a better team into Arrowhead and was still the second best quarterback in the stadium.
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:23 PM   #51
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A quarterback in 1943 would be lucky to make the practice squad in 2006. They drew plays in the dirt back then. They install offenses in the offseason now.

You might as well be comparing a rugby player to a football player. You're practically talking about different sports when you compare the pre-superbowl era players to the post-superbowl era, especially when you start throwing punting records into the mix.

God love 'em for paving the way. But it's a different sport now.
All if that is true but does that make worse players. Those guys played with broken bones, got clotheslined, had their knees taken out.

Sammy paved the way for the modern passing era-yet is forgotten.

Broadway Joe-nerves of steel

Johnny Unitas-probably the biggest heart of all

Lenny the Cool-way underestimated for his acuracy and leadership. Does pretty good on the news too-lol
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:24 PM   #52
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You really are a freakin' moron.
Must have fogotten Montana had the benefit of the best defense in the NFL, best WR ever, huge O-line, and a devasting Special teams.

What did Marino have. The Marks brothers, no running game, and a shitty D.
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:29 PM   #54
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It's not like I'm sitting here clueless as to where Elway fits in NFL history.
You mean after the greats such as Grbac and Huard?

Farve's in my top 7. Elway's in my top 15. Go figure.

And Montana was the best IMO. Marino was shit compared to Joe Montana. Hell, Brady sits higher than Marino. Dumbass choked every damn season.
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Must have fogotten Montana had the benefit of the best defense in the NFL, best WR ever, huge O-line, and a devasting Special teams.

What did Marino have. The Marks brothers, no running game, and a shitty D.
All of that is true.

But Montana was something special.

I actually thought much the same way as you in the Marino-Montana debate, but then he took a sorry ass group of players wearing the red and gold to the AFC championship game, winning in the clutch a couple of times making plays in the passing game with receivers like Willie freakin' Davis, and I realized that Montana raised the level of play around him like no other QB could.

Marino did as well, but not not nearly as much as Montana did.
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Must have fogotten Montana had the benefit of the best defense in the NFL, best WR ever, huge O-line, and a devasting Special teams.

What did Marino have. The Marks brothers, no running game, and a shitty D.
Montana won 2 superbowls before he had any of these things.
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Montana had a great team, but he was the type of guy that made everybody around him better. He almost turned Marty Schottenheimer into a winner, that should end the argument right there. Without Montana, Marty literally wouldn't have anything to hang his hat on in the last 20 years since the fumble. If I had one game to win, he'd be my QB.
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If I had one game to win, he'd be my QB.
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All of that is true.

But Montana was something special.

I actually thought much the same way as you in the Marino-Montana debate, but then he took a sorry ass group of players wearing the red and gold to the AFC championship game, winning in the clutch a couple of times making plays in the passing game with receivers like Willie freakin' Davis, and I realized that Montana raised the level of play around him like no other QB could.

Marino did as well, but not not nearly as much as Montana did.
Montana had it all, no doubt about it. Marino had below average talent his whole career-and obliterated every record. If Marino had managed to win a SB-people would not shit on him so bad.
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