Chiefs record the next 3 years. Your call.

[BigRedChief]

I'm thinking....
2009-2010
6-10

2010-2011
8-8

2011-2012
13-3 Playoff run

Some of Pioli's draft picks concern me but its a "In Pioli we trust" mentality for me right now. I just can't believe that all that success in NE was because of Bellicheck. I like his mentality and approach, so far.

Haley conerced me because he was the NFL flavor of the month after the Super Bowl but after I read more about that guy, he just might work out after all. Pioli rode with the guy on road trips to scout players, worked with him as a coach, got to know him as a person and evaluate his coaching knowledge way before this level. Pioli picked him, so that enough for me, right now. He's defintely got the NFL background. How cool would that have been to watch pre-draft film of Lynn Swan at 11 years old with your Dad. We tried having a "players" coach. That didn't work out so well. Why not give a Parcells disciple and disipline approach a try?

sorry if a repost, but its the offseason so if your ticked off...

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

And he could put up Trent Green numbers and the team won't go anywhere.

Disagree with this. I think if Cassel puts up Trent Green #'s we are going to very happy fans.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Everyone thinks Pioli can do no wrong? Wow, you've gone off the deep end. You have a serious persecution disorder ever since the team decided to go with Cassel instead of Sanchez.

Nice try.

Has nothing to do with Sanchez, but keep bringing it up it makes you feel better.

I'm on record well before Sanchez declared for the draft that Pioli wasn't my top candidate.

I'm not convinced that he can do it without Belichick, and he didn't do anything to sway me by hiring Haley and Pendergast, keeping Krumrie, taking a 5-tech with the 3rd overall pick, signing Cassel long-term this early, etc.

I've said it a million times, I hope like hell that in several years, we're celebrating a Super Bowl Championship, and I'll gladly sit down to a all-you-can eat meal of crow.

Even Stevie Wonder can see it, why can't you? Ever since he was hired, any time organizational decisions have been questioned, people here just invoke Scott Pioli's name as if he can do no wrong, and everything will be just fine because he was part of a dynasty in NE. Forgive me for having my own opinion, and sticking to it.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Nice try.

Has nothing to do with Sanchez, but keep bringing it up it makes you feel better.

I'm on record well before Sanchez declared for the draft that Pioli wasn't my top candidate.

I'm not convinced that he can do it without Belichick, and he didn't do anything to sway me by hiring Haley and Pendergast, keeping Krumrie, taking a 5-tech with the 3rd overall pick, signing Cassel long-term this early, etc.

I've said it a million times, I hope like hell that in several years, we're celebrating a Super Bowl Championship, and I'll gladly sit down to a all-you-can eat meal of crow.

Even Stevie Wonder can see it, why can't you? Ever since he was hired, any time organizational decisions have been questioned, people here just invoke Scott Pioli's name as if he can do no wrong, and everything will be just fine because he was part of a dynasty in NE. Forgive me for having my own opinion, and sticking to it.

The vast majority of Planet members have questioned some of Pioli's decisions; naming Clancy, keeping Krumrie, the trading for Vrabel before any even knew about Cassel, the Cassel trade, draft picks, Brown, getting rid of TG, not getting rid of LJ, etc.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

The vast majority of Planet members have questioned some of Pioli's decisions; naming Clancy, keeping Krumrie, the trading for Vrabel before any even knew about Cassel, the Cassel trade, draft picks, Brown, getting rid of TG, not getting rid of LJ, etc.

Vast majority?

Not.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by milkman

Vast majority?

Not.

You think the majority of people on the board agree with keeping Krumrie and are happy about it?

[Chief Faithful]

Originally Posted by milkman

Damian McIntosh.

Damian played well during the second half of the season and he is an established veteran tackle in this league. There are several young developing tackles on the roster and Pioli drafted another. The biggest need on the OLine was RG and Pioli did address that position.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Nice try.

Has nothing to do with Sanchez, but keep bringing it up it makes you feel better.

I'm on record well before Sanchez declared for the draft that Pioli wasn't my top candidate.

I'm not convinced that he can do it without Belichick, and he didn't do anything to sway me by hiring Haley and Pendergast, keeping Krumrie, taking a 5-tech with the 3rd overall pick, signing Cassel long-term this early, etc.

I've said it a million times, I hope like hell that in several years, we're celebrating a Super Bowl Championship, and I'll gladly sit down to a all-you-can eat meal of crow.

Even Stevie Wonder can see it, why can't you? Ever since he was hired, any time organizational decisions have been questioned, people here just invoke Scott Pioli's name as if he can do no wrong, and everything will be just fine because he was part of a dynasty in NE. Forgive me for having my own opinion, and sticking to it.

put me in the Pioli we trust camp. I just don't think it was all Bellecheck in NE. He was my top GM candidate. But, I also think its a valid opinion that it was all Bellicheck in NE. And until Pioli proves otherwise, maybe the correct one. But, for both of our sakes I hope I'm right because the die has been cast.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

You think the majority of people on the board agree with keeping Krumrie and are happy about it?

I think that "vast" majority is a mispresentation.

As for Krumrie, it seems that people are assigning blame for that decision on Haley and timing.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

Damian played well during the second half of the season and he is an established veteran tackle in this league. There are several young developing tackles on the roster and Pioli drafted another. The biggest need on the OLine was RG and Pioli did address that position.

McIntosh didn't play "well" in the second half of the season.

The spread and Thigpen's mobility created the illusion that he didn't suck as much in the second half as he did in the first half.

His one highlight play when he got into the secondary and took out two DBs with a block, he actually completely whiffed on his actual blocking assignment.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

You think the majority of people on the board agree with keeping Krumrie and are happy about it?

The people I'm talking about are the one's that complain that we kept him, then follow up by saying, "Well, Pioli knows what he's doing."

That's the difference.

There are people here that assume that Pioli will be successful here for no other reason than the fact he was successful w/Belichick in NE.

There are others, like myself, that have questioned a lot of the decisions made, and aren't convinced that Pioli is going to have the impact that the majority of Chiefs fans expect him to.

I hope I'm wrong.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

One of the biggest criticisms of Clancy in Arizona was his inconsistency week to week.

If you look around the league, the middle of the pack defenses are inconsistent. Much of it is matchups.

I don't think that Gunther and Herm were at odds personally, but I think each had to compromise too much.

Now, I would side more with Gunther's style of defense.... but either way, you get a philosophy and you stick with it.

The Chiefs defense never had an identity.

I think that merely having one voice on that side of the ball will let the defense have an identity.

I also think that this defense will allow Bernard Pollard, Tamba Hali and Derrick Johnson to play very well. I think those guys have underachieved, and I think the new 3-4 will emphasize each of their strengths.

JMO.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by milkman

I'd like to get a look at the progress of this team this year, to see how Cassel adjusts to a new team with less talent, and how Haley manages games before I start thinking about next season and the one following.

There are just too many factors involved.

Oh come now, this is a fans message board... no such logic will be tolerated.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Nice try.

Has nothing to do with Sanchez, but keep bringing it up it makes you feel better.

I'm on record well before Sanchez declared for the draft that Pioli wasn't my top candidate.

I'm not convinced that he can do it without Belichick, and he didn't do anything to sway me by hiring Haley and Pendergast, keeping Krumrie, taking a 5-tech with the 3rd overall pick, signing Cassel long-term this early, etc.

I've said it a million times, I hope like hell that in several years, we're celebrating a Super Bowl Championship, and I'll gladly sit down to a all-you-can eat meal of crow.

Even Stevie Wonder can see it, why can't you? Ever since he was hired, any time organizational decisions have been questioned, people here just invoke Scott Pioli's name as if he can do no wrong, and everything will be just fine because he was part of a dynasty in NE. Forgive me for having my own opinion, and sticking to it.

I for one appreciate other fans opinions. Man, I have had some far out opinions over the years.... but Pioli has done much of what he was part of in NE.

Pioli was a solid hire. My favorite? Probably not.... but I was stunned that the Chiefs were able to land him. I should not have been given the relationship between the owner's and their families..... but I was.

Haley was not my favorite and still isn't. But guess what? He is Bill Belichick junior in a lot of ways. No nonsense. No pretense. No BS.

Pendergrass wasn't Pioli's hire, it was Haley's hire. And, frankly, especially as a first time head coach, Haley is looking for guys he knows and trusts. What so many fans just don't get is that any coach in the NFL could dazzle any of us with x's and o's. I mean, football isn't rocket science. The key is how well the staff works together.

Krumrie. For all the criticsm that this guy gets, he developed Jared Allen and Boone had his best season ever under this guy. I think it is hard for a guy like Krumrie to coach when the head coach and the defensive coordinator have drastically different ideas about what makes good defense and they try to do it both ways at the same time. Add in the youth movement on the line, and it gives me pause before bashing this guy.

As far as Jackson? Just doing what they did in NE. Building the defensive line. The Pats spent two 5 tech DE's in the first round. I understand your point about it being 'third' overall. But, the Pats didn't worry about picking the 'best' player in the draft, they worried about picking the best fitting player in the draft.

As for Cassell..... the Chiefs have the cap room. It would be silly to go into this year without having him locked up. Fans always criticize a team for not locking a guy up early. I mean, Jared Allen finally had a breakout season and the Chiefs could have locked him up. They chose to give him another year to 'make sure'. Oops.

You put faith in your decisisions, and you operate as if you will be correct. You don't assume you will be wrong.

Looking at the Chiefs this offseason, you see much the same philosophy that has made NE one of the best franchises in the last 10 years.

Will it work to the same level? Probably not, honestly. Much of NE success was lucking into Tom Brady in the draft. I don't think Cassel will be Brady, but I think Cassel has the work ethic it takes to be one of the top five QB's in the league.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by milkman

McIntosh didn't play "well" in the second half of the season.

The spread and Thigpen's mobility created the illusion that he didn't suck as much in the second half as he did in the first half.

His one highlight play when he got into the secondary and took out two DBs with a block, he actually completely whiffed on his actual blocking assignment.

I think McIntosh is better than most give him credit for. I think he is a solid run blocking RT. I think he struggles when the Chiefs get behind and he gets singled up on a good pass rusher.

I won't argue that the Chiefs shouldn't upgrade the position.

The one question I have is that who told you that McIntosh missed his blocking assignment on that play? Not saying he did or didn't, but as a fan, we can never be sure because regardless of how much football we have played, we don't 'know' how the coach drew up the play, and how the play adapts to different defensive fronts and looks.

Just curious if this was something that you assumed after watching it, or if you had it from one of the coaching staff.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The people I'm talking about are the one's that complain that we kept him, then follow up by saying, "Well, Pioli knows what he's doing."

That's the difference.

There are people here that assume that Pioli will be successful here for no other reason than the fact he was successful w/Belichick in NE.

There are others, like myself, that have questioned a lot of the decisions made, and aren't convinced that Pioli is going to have the impact that the majority of Chiefs fans expect him to.

I hope I'm wrong.

He will certainly have the impact that Chiefs fans expect.... at least the degree of impact. Whether it impacts the Chiefs positively or negatively can be debated.