Hall of Fame show (Roaf in, Shields out)

[milkman]

Originally Posted by -King-

From scrimmage not just rushing.

One way or the other Phil's wrong.

Marshall Faulk averaged 108 yards a game from scrimmage for his career.

Originally Posted by milkman

One way or the other Phil's wrong.

Marshall Faulk averaged 108 yards a game from scrimmage for his career.

You're right. I slid a row too far and wasn't adding the right receiving YPG number.

That makes 4 backs averaging 100 YPG from scrimmage and Brown did it without the help of receptions. Smith, Martin, Brown, and Faulk.

[FAX]

The thought of Roaf makes me sad. I mean, I'm happy for him and all ... it just reminds me of how good our offense used to be.

FAX

[milkman]

Curtis Martin's induction is a tribute to his logevity and durability, and the direct result of the fact that he played a skill position.

There's no way in hell he was better at his job than Will Shields was at his.

And the fact is, Chris Carter is far more deserving than Martin.

But then, the HoF voting process has always been a joke.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by milkman

Curtis Martin's induction is a tribute to his logevity and durability, and the direct result of the fact that he played a skill position.

There's no way in hell he was better at his job than Will Shields was at his.

And the fact is, Chris Carter is far more deserving than Martin.

But then, the HoF voting process has always been a joke.

Agree with all of this.

I also find it annoying that the top X% of QBs get in, but with CBs or safeties you have to be the top (X/5)% or whatever. It should be the same percentage of players at every position.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by milkman

Curtis Martin's induction is a tribute to his logevity and durability, and the direct result of the fact that he played a skill position.

There's no way in hell he was better at his job than Will Shields was at his.

And the fact is, Chris Carter is far more deserving than Martin.

But then, the HoF voting process has always been a joke.

Hell, Tim Brown is more Deservering. Dude was good even though he was a raider, he played A LONG time at a very high level.

Curtis getting in over some of these guys on the list is a ****ing shame.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by kcxiv

Hell, Tim Brown is more Deservering. Dude was good even though he was a raider, he played A LONG time at a very high level.

Curtis getting in over some of these guys on the list is a ****ing shame.

I agree.

But the most deserving that missed are Carter and Shields, which is where I was going with my post.

[Rain Man]

The Chiefs continue filling out their Hall of Fame starting lineup.

QB - Len Dawson, Joe Montana, Warren Moon
HB - Marcus Allen
FB - ?
WR - ?
TE - ? (Paging Tony Gonzalez...)
T - Willie Roaf
G - ? (Paging Will Shields and maybe old-timer Ed Budde)
C - Mike Webster
K - Jan Stenerud
P - ?
S - ? (Paging Johnny Robinson and Deron Cherry)
CB - Emmitt Thomas
OLB - Bobby Bell, Derrick Thomas
MLB - Willie Lanier
DE - ?
DT - Buck Buchanan

Coach - Hank Stram, Marv Levy
Owner - Lamar Hunt

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

The Chiefs continue filling out their Hall of Fame starting lineup.

QB - Len Dawson, Joe Montana, Warren Moon
HB - Marcus Allen
FB - ?
WR - ?
TE - ? (Paging Tony Gonzalez...)
T - Willie Roaf
G - ? (Paging Will Shields and maybe old-timer Ed Budde)
C - Mike Webster
K - Jan Stenerud
P - ?
S - ? (Paging Johnny Robinson and Deron Cherry)
CB - Emmitt Thomas
OLB - Bobby Bell, Derrick Thomas
MLB - Willie Lanier
DE - ?
DT - Buck Buchanan

Coach - Hank Stram, Marv Levy
Owner - Lamar Hunt

WR should have been filled 30 years ago.

And yes, Johnny Robinson and DeRon Cherry belong, absolutely.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by milkman

WR should have been filled 30 years ago.

And yes, Johnny Robinson and DeRon Cherry belong, absolutely.

Given that it's a skill position and thus overrepresented in the HoF, it's pretty telling that we don't have anyone at that position. It's been a weakness for the entire history of the franchise.

As much as I love Otis, and he was my favorite player as a child, I think the odds of him getting in are almost nil. With the inflation of receiving stats over the past 20 years, I think future voters will underestimate his contributions.

[Psyko Tek]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

The Chiefs continue filling out their Hall of Fame starting lineup.

QB - Len Dawson, Joe Montana, Warren Moon
HB - Marcus Allen
FB - ?
WR - ?
TE - ? (Paging Tony Gonzalez...)
T - Willie Roaf
G - ? (Paging Will Shields and maybe old-timer Ed Budde)
C - Mike Webster
K - Jan Stenerud
P - ?
S - ? (Paging Johnny Robinson and Deron Cherry)
CB - Emmitt Thomas
OLB - Bobby Bell, Derrick Thomas
MLB - Willie Lanier
DE - ?
DT - Buck Buchanan

Coach - Hank Stram, Marv Levy
Owner - Lamar Hunt

do any teams have the whole roster filled?
betting NFC East, or at least east coast teams

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Psyko Tek

do any teams have the whole roster filled?
betting NFC East, or at least east coast teams

The Bears have the most HoFers, though a lot of them are from the days of yore and played both ways, so it's hard to put them at a particular position. You could probably do stuff like move Red Grange to CB and get closer, but the bottom line is that they're short on WRs, safeties, and CBs. They also need an OLB, but there are probably 8 guys on the roster who could fill in there, most notably Bulldog Turner. And of course no punter, but I'll bet Luckman or Nagurski or someone also punted.

This is a good illustration of how badly defensive backs are discriminated against in the HoF.

RB - Red Grange, Bronko Nagurski, Walter Payton, Gale Sayers, George McAfee
QB - Paddy Driscoll, Bobby Layne, Sid Luckman
WR - Bill Hewitt
TE - Mike Ditka
T - Ed Healey, Link Lyman, Joe Stydahar
G - Dan Fortmann, Stan Jones, Walt Kiesling
C - Bulldog Turner, George Trafton
K - George Blanda (K & QB)
P - ?
S - ?
CB - ?
OLB - George Connor
MLB - Dick Butkus, Bill George, Mike Singletary
DE - Doug Atkins, Richard Dent
DT - Dan Hampton, George Musso, Alan Page

Owner - George Halas
GM - Jim Finks

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

The Bears have the most HoFers, though a lot of them are from the days of yore and played both ways, so it's hard to put them at a particular position. You could probably do stuff like move Red Grange to CB and get closer, but the bottom line is that they're short on WRs, safeties, and CBs. They also need an OLB, but there are probably 8 guys on the roster who could fill in there, most notably Bulldog Turner. And of course no punter, but I'll bet Luckman or Nagurski or someone also punted.

This is a good illustration of how badly defensive backs are discriminated against in the HoF.

RB - Red Grange, Bronko Nagurski, Walter Payton, Gale Sayers, George McAfee
QB - Paddy Driscoll, Bobby Layne, Sid Luckman
WR - Bill Hewitt
TE - Mike Ditka
T - Ed Healey, Link Lyman, Joe Stydahar
G - Dan Fortmann, Stan Jones, Walt Kiesling
C - Bulldog Turner, George Trafton
K - George Blanda (K & QB)
P - ?
S - ?
CB - ?
OLB - George Connor
MLB - Dick Butkus, Bill George, Mike Singletary
DE - Doug Atkins, Richard Dent
DT - Dan Hampton, George Musso, Alan Page

Owner - George Halas
GM - Jim Finks

You do know that Sammy Baugh was a punter as well as a QB, and I believe is still the recrod holder for longest punt in NFL history, right?

There's your punter.

EDIT:This fills your "All Teams" need, not Bears specific.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by milkman

You do know that Sammy Baugh was a punter as well as a QB, and I believe is still the recrod holder for longest punt in NFL history, right?

There's your punter.

EDIT:This fills your "All Teams" need, not Bears specific.

Yeah, he's definitely the punter on a general team, but even at age 95 I think he would beat the heck out of you for even thinking about putting him on a Bears team.

[tredadda]

I am still stunned at the fact Chris Carter can't get in. He must have pissed some people off as he is arguably the best player who keeps getting snubbed.