1 gap 3-4; how do you think it will shake out?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

What? Seriously?

In a 1-gap, why not?

Watt just destroyed the world in that role. Now Hali's not the class of Watt, but he could be very good.

Hali's developed an array of power moves and has very active hands. His speed is diminishing but his power is improving. Of the 2 players, Houston is going to be the better Weak side LBer over the next 5 years.

So you could either waste Houston's talents by having him drop into coverage a lot as the Sam, you could flip Houston and Hali (in which case Hali would be a complete disaster in coverage) or you could try something that could maximize both of their skill-sets.

I do think that at this point in Hali's career, the Chiefs would be better off with him as a 1-gap DE and Houston playing the Will than they would leaving Hali at the Will and forcing Houston into the coverage role as a Sam in a 1-gap.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Margus Hunt will likely skyrocket up draft boards; I think he'll show exceptionally well at the combine.

With the Strongside backer having more coverage responsibility, I would still be interested in trying out Hali as a 5-tech with Houston sliding over to the weak side. I don't know that he's big enough to pull it off, but I'd sure be interested in seeing him try. He's become an expert at shooting gaps (and getting held), so I think he could make a huge splash knifing through gaps into the backfield.

I really would hate to waste Houston's first step in a coverage role.

Hali played significant snaps at DT at Penn State.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Hali played significant snaps at DT at Penn State.

Doesn't have the size for a DT at this level, but those same 'phonebooth' skills that he'd have developed with his DT snaps would be put to very good use in a 1-gap system.

It won't help Hali's numbers, no question. But I do think it will help the team. It may take him a few games to adjust (ala Freeney), but I think he'd be very good there.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Doesn't have the size for a DT at this level, but those same 'phonebooth' skills that he'd have developed with his DT snaps would be put to very good use in a 1-gap system.

It won't help Hali's numbers, no question. But I do think it will help the team. It may take him a few games to adjust (ala Freeney), but I think he'd be very good there.

Yeah, that was pretty much my point.

Hali is BEST at OLB, but he CAN play just about anywhere.

[O.city]

Either way we're gonna have to get more pass rush from the dl. I think Poe is a good fit in the 1 gap, with his physicality and ability.

Is there any way Bailey could play DE full time in the 1 gap?

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by O.city

Either way we're gonna have to get more pass rush from the dl. I think Poe is a good fit in the 1 gap, with his physicality and ability.

Is there any way Bailey could play DE full time in the 1 gap?

Bailey sucks in the 2 gap, but I think he would shine in the 1 gap with his speed and strength.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Bailey sucks in the 2 gap, but I think he would shine in the 1 gap with his speed and strength.

Hell...make him a backup Will. Then maybe he could get up to speed before contact.

He's so slow out of his stance that his speed never becomes a factor. Lineman engage him and wash him out before he can get moving.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Bailey sucks in the 2 gap, but I think he would shine in the 1 gap with his speed and strength.

We're just gonna have to see what these guys can do in a different scheme, I unlike others are not ready to give up on some of the more talented guys on the roster, like bailey, based on the cluster**** that was going on last season with what seems like zero direction.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

We're just gonna have to see what these guys can do in a different scheme, I unlike others are not ready to give up on some of the more talented guys on the roster, like bailey, based on the cluster**** that was going on last season with what seems like zero direction.

Bailey has no quickness, get off or pass rush moves.

He's probably gonna be cut.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Bailey has no quickness, get off or pass rush moves.

He's probably gonna be cut.

I don't know if he's cut but at this point, it wouldn't surprise me. Really thought he was going to progress this year and then, nothing. I mean, nothing.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Bailey sucks in the 2 gap, but I think he would shine in the 1 gap with his speed and strength.

I'm probably one of the biggest Bailey homers here and fully admit it is time to move on IMO.

I really thought that having Poe and Houston next to him in sub pckgs (whilst playing the 3 tech) would free him and enable him to do some great stuff. He didn't and extremely regressed this year. If you want to keep him on the roster as depth or even hope that he turns into an average player, fine. He was horrible this year after several decent flashes last year against Pitt, NE, and GB.

He needs to be upgraded.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Sorter

I'm probably one of the biggest Bailey homers here and fully admit it is time to move on IMO.

I really thought that having Poe and Houston next to him in sub pckgs (whilst playing the 3 tech) would free him and enable him to do some great stuff. He didn't and extremely regressed this year. If you want to keep him on the roster as depth or even hope that he turns into an average player, fine. He was horrible this year after several decent flashes last year against Pitt, NE, and GB.

He needs to be upgraded.

You could make that statement about the entire defense.

These guys were so poorly coached, so fundamentally unsound that I'm giving everyone on this team a complete pass.

Bailey was primarily an attacking defensive end at Miami out of a 43. He was a legit 6'3", 285 lbs. at the combine with superb measurables. He led the Canes in sacks and TFL for two straight years and was a 1st Team All-Conference his senior year.

He was jammed into a two gap 34 or a 2-4-5 third down subpackage with shit coaching.

Two gap 34's require a decision by the linemen to choose the gap that they are going to hold right off the snap versus a 1 gap which is a presnap determined, upfield penetrating style that forces the offensive lineman to actively engage the defender versus the two gap which means to have the defender hold the o-linemen during their movements.

Bailey, Powe and Poe should all be better suited for a one gap style versus a two gap.

In fact, with the personel that we have, especially Poe and Berry, a 46 type of defense would actually be ideal. The only thing we're really missing from that is a big, press coverage corner. Someone just like Xavier Rhodes or David Amerson - one of which should be available with our first pick in the second round.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You could make that statement about the entire defense.

These guys were so poorly coached, so fundamentally unsound that I'm giving everyone on this team a complete pass.

Bailey was primarily an attacking defensive end at Miami out of a 43. He was a legit 6'3", 285 lbs. at the combine with superb measurables. He led the Canes in sacks and TFL for two straight years and was a 1st Team All-Conference his senior year.

He was jammed into a two gap 34 or a 2-4-5 third down subpackage with shit coaching.

Two gap 34's require a decision by the linemen to choose the gap that they are going to hold right off the snap versus a 1 gap which is a presnap determined, upfield penetrating style that forces the offensive lineman to actively engage the defender versus the two gap which means to have the defender hold the o-linemen during their movements.

Bailey, Powe and Poe should all be better suited for a one gap style versus a two gap.

In fact, with the personel that we have, especially Poe and Berry, a 46 type of defense would actually be ideal. The only thing we're really missing from that is a big, press coverage corner. Someone just like Xavier Rhodes or David Amerson - one of which should be available with our first pick in the second round.

I'm with you. We just don't know what we have in some of these players, especially young guys like Bailey. So much of D-line play is about intensity, and these guys played soft as shit. And I've said this before, but when you spend almost all your time learning 2-gap, there's not much room for teaching you how to play 1-gap principles.

I don't know what we have in Bailey, but I'd like to see how he responds to better coaching and full time commitment to 1-gap.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You could make that statement about the entire defense.

These guys were so poorly coached, so fundamentally unsound that I'm giving everyone on this team a complete pass.

Bailey was primarily an attacking defensive end at Miami out of a 43. He was a legit 6'3", 285 lbs. at the combine with superb measurables. He led the Canes in sacks and TFL for two straight years and was a 1st Team All-Conference his senior year.

He was jammed into a two gap 34 or a 2-4-5 third down subpackage with shit coaching.

Two gap 34's require a decision by the linemen to choose the gap that they are going to hold right off the snap versus a 1 gap which is a presnap determined, upfield penetrating style that forces the offensive lineman to actively engage the defender versus the two gap which means to have the defender hold the o-linemen during their movements.

Bailey, Powe and Poe should all be better suited for a one gap style versus a two gap.

In fact, with the personel that we have, especially Poe and Berry, a 46 type of defense would actually be ideal. The only thing we're really missing from that is a big, press coverage corner. Someone just like Xavier Rhodes or David Amerson - one of which should be available with our first pick in the second round.

I agree. However, Bailey has been playing 1-gap principles in sub packages this year and didn't do much with his reps. I hope I'm wrong as I would really love to see the guy pan out. At thisnpoint though, I think it would be wise to use a 2nd or 3rd on Hunt from SMU depending on how the draft shakes out.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Either way we're gonna have to get more pass rush from the dl. I think Poe is a good fit in the 1 gap, with his physicality and ability.

Is there any way Bailey could play DE full time in the 1 gap?

I don't think there is any way Bailey can play full time anywhere at this point.

He is just sooooo sloooooooow off the line. You could use him as a situational interior lineman in your nickle packages, but that's about it.

He's as bad as anyone I've ever seen at getting off the ball. That's what keeps Poe from being great as well, but he's still a hell of a lot better at it than Bailey is.