Chiefs 1 gap 3-4; how do you think it will shake out? - Page 6

Fat Elvis · 01-11-2013, 09:50 AM

I think the 1 gap 3-4 will be very interesting for the Chiefs given their natural physical talents. It really plays to the strengths of our front 7 once we get another ILB. We have a lot of speed and brute strength that, in my opinion, was wasted under the 2 gap 3-4.

Who do you see being our starters at each position on the front seven next year?

O.city · 01-11-2013, 03:36 PM

Shit, I like the 1 gap in that it's not all about technique like the 2 gap, which takes for ****ing ever to learn and perfect. That there is enough for me.

Hammock Parties · 01-11-2013, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

tha **** are you talking about? Bailey played 34RDE in a 2 gap against LT's you idiot. He's small/short for the position if anything. Had poor hand technique, yadayada.

Actually, he didn't.

Most of his snaps came in sub packages as a pass rusher.

And he was ****ing horrible.

He's a guy who's built like a tank with some straight line speed (4.75ish if I recall). That's it.

He's probably not even an NFL player. Should get into pro wrestling.

RunKC · 01-11-2013, 03:45 PM

Star Lotulelei?!?!

Yes let's draft another DL who can't get much pressure on the QB, and at 1st overall no less!!!!!

JFC

Sorter · 01-11-2013, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Bailey sucks in the 2 gap, but I think he would shine in the 1 gap with his speed and strength.

I'm probably one of the biggest Bailey homers here and fully admit it is time to move on IMO.

I really thought that having Poe and Houston next to him in sub pckgs (whilst playing the 3 tech) would free him and enable him to do some great stuff. He didn't and extremely regressed this year. If you want to keep him on the roster as depth or even hope that he turns into an average player, fine. He was horrible this year after several decent flashes last year against Pitt, NE, and GB.

He needs to be upgraded.

beach tribe · 01-11-2013, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He's not saying the 1-gap will fail.

He's saying it will struggle as these guys re-program themselves.

I also believe it will take some time, maybe a half season to get acclimated, but if is an attacking style, that in itself could boost the production of our defense with the type of players we have, and then it of course could become more balanced and efficient as they get more adjusted.

Sorter · 01-11-2013, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

From what I can tell, though, Rex Ryan's system isn't a 1-gap. It is the hybrid 46 that still has the NT playing a zero technique.

Am I way off base, here?

Rex's system is but IIRC, Sutton calls for more pure 1-gap (shades from the NT) than Rex. Additionally, Rex isn't a true 46 recently and does have his nose and DEs play more 1-gap philosophies.

Sorter · 01-11-2013, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Bailey has no quickness, get off or pass rush moves.

He's probably gonna be cut.

I don't know if he's cut but at this point, it wouldn't surprise me. Really thought he was going to progress this year and then, nothing. I mean, nothing.

O.city · 01-11-2013, 03:55 PM

So since we are likely staying 1 gap, here's my early free agency picks.

William Moore at safety, Richard Seymour (if he's released)

Sorter · 01-11-2013, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

tha **** are you talking about? Bailey played 34RDE in a 2 gap against LT's you idiot. He actually typically played LDE against RTs and the 3tech in our subs which we ran extensively.

And Poe is plenty quick off the ball -- he was playing 2 gap techniques as well, so he did not look real good this year, but slow off the ball he was not.He didn't play 2-gap in our sub packages which we played in quite a bit.

Dorsey is slow, but quick off the ball. so what. he's got nothing for the NFL. But at least he was given 5 ****ing seasons to improve.

Poe needs time, he's lacking technique -- that was his MO coming up. Had nothing to do with his ability to get off the ball.

You know what, you're an asshole for even tossing these guys out after 1 & 2 seasons. You know damn well DL players require 3 or more seasons to develop.

As to the last point, that simply isn't true anymore. Guys drafted in the first two rounds are typically expected to produce and at the very least, flash occasionally. Try telling your development theory to Watt, Wilkerson, Suh (who is overrated), McCoy.

Ace Gunner · 01-11-2013, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Actually, he didn't.

Most of his snaps came in sub packages as a pass rusher.

And he was ****ing horrible.

He's a guy who's built like a tank with some straight line speed (4.75ish if I recall). That's it.

He's probably not even an NFL player. Should get into pro wrestling.

He was lined up on the LT even during subs, wendler. he disappointed, yes. But I am not going to say he has peaked or isn't going to stick in the NFL. Hell, I don't even know why we are so stuck on the guy, other than to give him another go or not. This defense is lacking DL. He'll likely get another op, at least a look during TC etc. No idea if he sticks, but his initial step isn't the problem, he simply needs to learn how to play the game/his position at this level as most players do.

Sorter · 01-11-2013, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

He was lined up on the LT even during subs, wendler. he disappointed, yes. But I am not going to say he has peaked or isn't going to stick in the NFL. Hell, I don't even know why we are so stuck on the guy, other than to give him another go or not. This defense is lacking DL. He'll likely get another op, at least a look during TC etc. No idea if he sticks, but his initial step isn't the problem, he simply needs to learn how to play the game/his position at this level as most players do.

Uhh, no he was not.

Ace Gunner · 01-11-2013, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

As to the last point, that simply isn't true anymore. Guys drafted in the first two rounds are typically expected to produce and at the very least, flash occasionally. Try telling your development theory to Watt, Wilkerson, Suh (who is overrated), McCoy.

all exceptions to the rule and you aren't considering the player's draft position/rating etc.

DJ's left nut · 01-11-2013, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

tha **** are you talking about? Bailey played 34RDE in a 2 gap against LT's you idiot. He's small/short for the position if anything. Had poor hand technique, yadayada.

And Poe is plenty quick off the ball -- he was playing 2 gap techniques as well, so he did not look real good this year, but slow off the ball he was not.

Dorsey is slow, but quick off the ball. so what. he's got nothing for the NFL. But at least he was given 5 ****ing seasons to improve.

Poe needs time, he's lacking technique -- that was his MO coming up. Had nothing to do with his ability to get off the ball.

You know what, you're an asshole for even tossing these guys out after 1 & 2 seasons. You know damn well DL players require 3 or more seasons to develop.

What does the fact that he played the 5-tech against LTs really poorly have to do with anything I just said?

He got abused off the line while doing it. He sucks ass at getting off the ball, that's why he was garbage as a 5-tech.

And yes, Poe was slow off the ball. He has a tendency to lose his leverage and 'fall' into defenders rather than explode into them. It's not like he's missing the snap count, he just utilizes poor technique off the snap. I'm by no means giving up on him and in fact expect very good things out of him in the future. The fact remains that he has work to do in this regard.

As to Dorsey...well you're just wrong. Dorsey's not amazing, but he's a starter in this league and will start for someone next year. Allen Bailey will never have the NFL career that Dorsey has had precisely because he doesn't get off the ball.

You just keep exposing your idiocy here. Though I do love that you begin and end each display with some sort of juvenile blather.

By all means, keep it up.

Ace Gunner · 01-11-2013, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

Uhh, no he was not.

oooooooooooooh yes he waaaaaaaaaaaaaas.

he played under the LT a lot as I recall.

Sorter · 01-11-2013, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

Uhh, no he was not.

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How exactly in the **** does that even remotely look like a 4-tech head up on a tackle?

Additionally, this subpckg is a 2-4-5 which is not our most common sub variant.

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