Chiefs Get of Mark Castle's back! - Page 5

**pr_capone** · 11-10-2009, 01:08 AM

First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right.

Here are the numbers. And before I get started... **** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us.

This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season.

Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers.

Completions
Cassel - 286
Ryan - 312
Flacco - 366
Brady - 373
McNabb - 285
Rivers - 277

Attempts
Cassel - 514
Ryan - 514
Flacco - 564
Brady - 601
McNabb - 493
Rivers - 460

Completion Percentage
Cassel - 55.6
Ryan - 60.9
Flacco - 64.9
Brady - 62.1
McNabb - 57.8
Rivers - 60.2

Yards
Cassel - 2871
Ryan - 3568
Flacco - 4088
Brady - 3764
McNabb - 3233
Rivers - 3152

TDs
Cassel - 23
Ryan - 26
Flacco - 24
Brady - 23
McNabb - 25
Rivers - 21

INTs
Cassel - 11
Ryan - 20
Flacco - 14
Brady - 14
McNabb - 12
Rivers - 15

Sacks
Cassel - 62
Ryan - 24
Flacco - 32
Brady - 31
McNabb - 39
Rivers - 22

What I get out of the stats.

While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this ****tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark.

People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed.

Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble.

I don't know what more you want from the guy.

It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL.

Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively.

Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release.

Its not his fault his receivers can't get open.

Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays.

I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection.

I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about.

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**BossChief** · 11-10-2009, 02:32 AM

I was still in Cali at the time iirc and news on the Chiefs back then was hard to come by

thanks for the info! + rep to all of you who gave it

Mecca · 11-10-2009, 02:33 AM

The Cowboys bowl teams were full if assholes, they won 3 bowls that's all that matters.

**Tribal Warfare** · 11-10-2009, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Cassel is nothing like Green, Green threw the ball down the field, even when this team was bad he was throwing picks because he was going for big plays.

For the most part Cassel won't even attempt it.

I concur, during the Raider game the first thing I thought of he was playing scared or coaches speak "Playing not to lose". Face it guys , Cassel shouldn't be the franchise QB if he is scared shitless in making a mistake( INTs) and when he does make one it's goodnight sweet prince. It will come in bunches after the initial error, thus He doesn't have the mentality to be a good QB, due to his personality being a hothead. Which in turn makes him press.

**BossChief** · 11-10-2009, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The Cowboys bowl teams were full if assholes, they won 3 bowls that's all that matters.

this team is missing a few just straight up nasty mutha ****as!

Im all for adding Merriman if he hits the open market because of that fact.

I HATE seeing a defensive player help a offensive player up after a hit, I want a guy that kicks players when they are down and is just not a nice guy. At least one!

**pr_capone** · 11-10-2009, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

this team is missing a few just straight up nasty mutha ****as!

Im all for adding Merriman if he hits the open market because of that fact.

I HATE seeing a defensive player help a offensive player up after a hit, I want a guy that kicks players when they are down and is just not a nice guy. At least one!

Merriman without the roids = Quincy Black

Who?

exactly

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-10-2009, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone

I don't want to field a team of nothing but nice guys but the line has to be drawn somewhere... their actions are a reflection upon the organization. Not only that but what kind of message do we send to future NFL'ers if we overlook gross misconduct just because they are good at their job?

I don't mind a little "bad boy"-ish behavior as long as the player in question respects his team mates, the City, and the fans.

Ideally, everyone has the talent of DT and keeps their personal shit on the down-low, but that seems to be the exception more than the rule.
Or ****; just be "weird" or unique like Ocho or Troy, but be a great player.
There's plenty of room for personality and quirkiness, or for even just being a straight-up horses ass as long as you show the game the respect it deserves.

**pr_capone** · 11-10-2009, 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

I don't mind a little "bad boy"-ish behavior as long as the player in question respects his team mates, the City, and the fans.

Ideally, everyone has the talent of DT and keeps their personal shit on the down-low, but that seems to be the exception more than the rule.
Or ****; just be "weird" or unique like Ocho or Troy, but be a great player.
There's plenty of room for personality and quirkiness, or for even just being a straight-up horses ass as long as you show the game the respect it deserves.

I agree wholeheartedly with this post.

A little bad boy-ish behavior is fine and dandy. I think we are in agreement though that beating on women and endangering peoples lives driving drunk goes past that though.

**BossChief** · 11-10-2009, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone

Merriman without the roids = Quincy Black

Who?

exactly

I think some here are thinking everything is the roids. It isnt, he suffered a really bad knee injury that takes two full calendar years to fully heal from. He has awhile to go till that and he has recently shown signs of getting back to where he was.

He has 4 sacks in the last two games and when he was all juiced up he got 20 in 14 games.

If it doesnt cost us a pick, what do WE have to lose? Hunt owes us at least one shot at a premier player like him. There are always gonna be risks involved, if he doesnt return to form, we lost some cap space (if there is a cap) ...who really cares, we have so much cap space we are likley paying penalties for not spending enough. We are below tthe cap floor and into the cap basement! And the basement is flooding!

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-10-2009, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone

I agree wholeheartedly with this post.

A little bad boy-ish behavior is fine and dandy. I think we are in agreement though that beating on women and endangering peoples lives driving drunk goes past that though.

Right. You can't go "Big Baby" on the world around you in this league and expect everyone to have your back at that point, regardless of how talented you may be.

Without delving in to a miasma of social-engineering gobbledygook; at the end of the day, you have to carry yourself like a man who still has everything to prove and who takes no blessings for granted.
THAT's the big difference I see between talented, winning individuals, and True Champions.

Right now, Troy Polamalu is the guy I hold up as being the epitome of that concept.

Pioli Zombie · 11-10-2009, 06:16 AM

Its easy to always focus on the qb. Women do that. They'll know nothing about football and when the team is 1-7 they'll say "They need a new qb" because that's all they know about football. Kind of like Chiefs Planet.
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PhillyChiefFan · 11-10-2009, 06:20 AM

...and now here is a random Google search for Mark Castle...

Mecca · 11-10-2009, 06:23 AM

Matt Cassel's high school football picture isn't much better...

PhillyChiefFan · 11-10-2009, 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

Matt Cassel's high school football picture isn't much better...

This is my helmet, there are many like it, but this is mine...

**SAUTO** · 11-10-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He also came nowhere near hitting Chambers in stride you ****ing dipshit.

SORRY but you are sooo ****ing wrong here. watch it again.

Chiefnj2 · 11-10-2009, 10:05 AM

I just want Haley to open up the offense earlier in the game. Matt has done okay, in what his detractors call garbage time, when given the green light to go deep consistently. Try getting the run game going and let him throw the ball down the field.

11-10-2009, 01:08 AM
pr_capone THREEPEAT!!! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NWMO Casino cash: $9948214	Get of Mark Castle's back! First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right. Here are the numbers. And before I get started... ** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us. This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season. Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers. Completions Cassel - 286 Ryan - 312 Flacco - 366 Brady - 373 McNabb - 285 Rivers - 277 Attempts Cassel - 514 Ryan - 514 Flacco - 564 Brady - 601 McNabb - 493 Rivers - 460 Completion Percentage Cassel - 55.6 Ryan - 60.9 Flacco - 64.9 Brady - 62.1 McNabb - 57.8 Rivers - 60.2 Yards Cassel - 2871 Ryan - 3568 Flacco - 4088 Brady - 3764 McNabb - 3233 Rivers - 3152 TDs Cassel - 23 Ryan - 26 Flacco - 24 Brady - 23 McNabb - 25 Rivers - 21 INTs Cassel - 11 Ryan - 20 Flacco - 14 Brady - 14 McNabb - 12 Rivers - 15 Sacks Cassel - 62 Ryan - 24 Flacco - 32 Brady - 31 McNabb - 39 Rivers - 22 What I get out of the stats. While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this **tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark. People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed. Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble. I don't know what more you want from the guy. It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL. Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively. Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release. Its not his fault his receivers can't get open. Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays. I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection. I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about. [/rant]
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11-10-2009, 02:32 AM	#61
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1655912	I was still in Cali at the time iirc and news on the Chiefs back then was hard to come by thanks for the info! + rep to all of you who gave it __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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11-10-2009, 02:33 AM	#62
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-602950	The Cowboys bowl teams were full if assholes, they won 3 bowls that's all that matters.
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11-10-2009, 06:16 AM	#70
Pioli Zombie Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: olathe,kansas Casino cash: $10004900	Its easy to always focus on the qb. Women do that. They'll know nothing about football and when the team is 1-7 they'll say "They need a new qb" because that's all they know about football. Kind of like Chiefs Planet. Posted via Mobile Device
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11-10-2009, 06:20 AM	#71
PhillyChiefFan Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Location: Harrisburg, PA Casino cash: $3191139	...and now here is a random Google search for Mark Castle...
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11-10-2009, 06:23 AM	#72
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-602950	Matt Cassel's high school football picture isn't much better...
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11-10-2009, 10:05 AM	#75
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6664388	I just want Haley to open up the offense earlier in the game. Matt has done okay, in what his detractors call garbage time, when given the green light to go deep consistently. Try getting the run game going and let him throw the ball down the field. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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