Chiefs Get of Mark Castle's back! - Page 4

**pr_capone** · 11-10-2009, 01:08 AM

First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right.

Here are the numbers. And before I get started... **** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us.

This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season.

Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers.

Completions
Cassel - 286
Ryan - 312
Flacco - 366
Brady - 373
McNabb - 285
Rivers - 277

Attempts
Cassel - 514
Ryan - 514
Flacco - 564
Brady - 601
McNabb - 493
Rivers - 460

Completion Percentage
Cassel - 55.6
Ryan - 60.9
Flacco - 64.9
Brady - 62.1
McNabb - 57.8
Rivers - 60.2

Yards
Cassel - 2871
Ryan - 3568
Flacco - 4088
Brady - 3764
McNabb - 3233
Rivers - 3152

TDs
Cassel - 23
Ryan - 26
Flacco - 24
Brady - 23
McNabb - 25
Rivers - 21

INTs
Cassel - 11
Ryan - 20
Flacco - 14
Brady - 14
McNabb - 12
Rivers - 15

Sacks
Cassel - 62
Ryan - 24
Flacco - 32
Brady - 31
McNabb - 39
Rivers - 22

What I get out of the stats.

While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this ****tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark.

People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed.

Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble.

I don't know what more you want from the guy.

It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL.

Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively.

Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release.

Its not his fault his receivers can't get open.

Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays.

I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection.

I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about.

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Titty Meat · 11-10-2009, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If he plays alot of Madden he probably does think they suck, the Chiefs CB's are useless on that game.

Did you watch the Chargers game? Carr should have gave up 2 td's. He gets burnt alot.

Mecca · 11-10-2009, 02:13 AM

Honestly most of the team is useless, everyone is so god damn slow.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-10-2009, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Asante Samuel

or

Ty Law

how does he play it with Flowers and Carr?

iirc Carr is only signed till the end of next year.

Flowers the next.

I may be wrong.

I don't give a **** about Carr, but Flowers has the potential to be the best CB this team has had since Emmit Thomas.

**BossChief** · 11-10-2009, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by billay

Did you watch the Chargers game? Carr should have gave up 2 td's. He gets burnt alot.

thing is, you dont really know what was his fault unless you can decipher the defense. He may appear to have given up a td when he was actually passing his man off to the safety to continue to mind his responsibility.

Every corner gives it up once in awhile, the good ones keep fighting and dont repeat mistakes. Carr is a good corner and is improving every game IMO. He is also faster and bigger than Flowers.

I would be fine if they were our starting corners for the next seven years.

**BossChief** · 11-10-2009, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

I don't give a **** about Carr, but Flowers has the potential to be the best CB this team has had since Emmit Thomas.

at least James Hasty

certainly better than Warfield!

Mecca · 11-10-2009, 02:21 AM

I always like Dale Carter personally.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-10-2009, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

at least James Hasty

certainly better than Warfield!

Jeezus, ****in' Warfield...

The game has changed a lot since those days.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-10-2009, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I always like Dale Carter personally.

Until McCaffery is burning his ass for a long-bomb down the stretch.

I'm like, "Come on man; he's WHITE for ****s sake"!

God damn that honkey...

**BossChief** · 11-10-2009, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I always like Dale Carter personally.

WTF was the deal behind us not keeping him? He was one of my favorites too.

Mecca · 11-10-2009, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

WTF was the deal behind us not keeping him? He was one of my favorites too.

Denver offered him a ton of money, I'm also not sure I had ever seen a player more universally hated by the Chiefs fan base that played for the team than Carter at that time.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-10-2009, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

WTF was the deal behind us not keeping him? He was one of my favorites too.

His "I was LJ before LJ "-trip maybe?

**pr_capone** · 11-10-2009, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

WTF was the deal behind us not keeping him? He was one of my favorites too.

I was happy to see Dale leave. The guy was in the same boat as LJ with arrests, DUIs, and beating on women.

Mecca · 11-10-2009, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

His "I was LJ before LJ "-trip maybe?

Yea but he was actually good and was good for a period of time.

Carter made several pro bowls while he was here.

Mecca · 11-10-2009, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone

I was happy to see Dale leave. The guy was in the same boat as LJ with arrests, DUIs, and beating on women.

And we're back to what I say, I really could give 2 shits how they act off the field they play like pro bowlers that's all that matters.

They aren't my buddies.

**pr_capone** · 11-10-2009, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

And we're back to what I say, I really could give 2 shits how they act off the field they play like pro bowlers that's all that matters.

They aren't my buddies.

I don't want to field a team of nothing but nice guys but the line has to be drawn somewhere... their actions are a reflection upon the organization. Not only that but what kind of message do we send to future NFL'ers if we overlook gross misconduct just because they are good at their job?

11-10-2009, 01:08 AM
pr_capone THREEPEAT!!! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NWMO Casino cash: $9948214	Get of Mark Castle's back! First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right. Here are the numbers. And before I get started... ** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us. This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season. Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers. Completions Cassel - 286 Ryan - 312 Flacco - 366 Brady - 373 McNabb - 285 Rivers - 277 Attempts Cassel - 514 Ryan - 514 Flacco - 564 Brady - 601 McNabb - 493 Rivers - 460 Completion Percentage Cassel - 55.6 Ryan - 60.9 Flacco - 64.9 Brady - 62.1 McNabb - 57.8 Rivers - 60.2 Yards Cassel - 2871 Ryan - 3568 Flacco - 4088 Brady - 3764 McNabb - 3233 Rivers - 3152 TDs Cassel - 23 Ryan - 26 Flacco - 24 Brady - 23 McNabb - 25 Rivers - 21 INTs Cassel - 11 Ryan - 20 Flacco - 14 Brady - 14 McNabb - 12 Rivers - 15 Sacks Cassel - 62 Ryan - 24 Flacco - 32 Brady - 31 McNabb - 39 Rivers - 22 What I get out of the stats. While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this **tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark. People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed. Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble. I don't know what more you want from the guy. It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL. Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively. Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release. Its not his fault his receivers can't get open. Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays. I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection. I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about. [/rant]
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11-10-2009, 02:13 AM	#47
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-632950	Honestly most of the team is useless, everyone is so god damn slow.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-632950	I always like Dale Carter personally.
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