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Old 01-18-2009, 05:59 PM   #1
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you guys are acting like I'm saying LeBron could play QB...it doesn't take rocket science to learn how to be a receiver...

Shit, Gates NEVER played football...it took him one season to become a dominant TE...and TE is a far, far, far more complicated position than WR.
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:00 PM   #2
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I think guys like Braylon Edwards, TO, etc, could have played in the NBA if they had pursued that.
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:03 PM   #3
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I think guys like Braylon Edwards, TO, etc, could have played in the NBA if they had pursued that.
Well T.O. is an example of a guy who will make more money in the NFL then he ever would have made in the NBA, so good for him.
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:00 PM   #4
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If Derrick Rose put on some weight and learned to catch, run routes, and understand the intricacies of playing WR he could possibly play in the NFL. But athletic ability doesn't mean that can learn those things are demonstrated by the many athletic freaks who bust in the NFL. Either way, I don't see him revolutionizing the league or dominating it, which is what you are arguing.

If you simply said there are many NBA players who could play in the NFL, you would be making a reasonable claim. But you are arguing that marginal players like Gerald Green would ****ing revolutionize the league, which is just absurd. I actually think NBA players are generally more "athletic" than NFL players, but their type of athleticism doesn't necessarily translate to the NFL.
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:03 PM   #5
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If Derrick Rose put on some weight and learned to catch, run routes, and understand the intricacies of playing WR he could possibly play in the NFL. But athletic ability doesn't mean that can learn those things are demonstrated by the many athletic freaks who bust in the NFL. Either way, I don't see him revolutionizing the league or dominating it, which is what you are arguing.

If you simply said there are many NBA players who could play in the NFL, you would be making a reasonable claim. But you are arguing that marginal players like Gerald Green would ****ing revolutionize the league, which is just absurd. I actually think NBA players are generally more "athletic" than NFL players, but their type of athleticism doesn't necessarily translate to the NFL.
Green is a marginal NBA player with freakish athletic ability.

Gates was a marginal NCAA player and look at him now.
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:02 PM   #6
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After doing a little research...apparently LeBron can run a 4.6...

6'8"
250
44" vertical
4.6 speed

I google'd how much he could bench...came up with 390 lbs.

This guy is just a freak.
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:03 PM   #7
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After doing a little research...apparently LeBron can run a 4.6...

6'8"
275
44" vertical
4.6 speed

I google'd how much he could bench...came up with 390 lbs.

This guy is just a freak.
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:04 PM   #8
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he's listed as 250 on ESPN...but if he's 275, maybe he's a speed rushing DE
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:06 PM   #9
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he's listed as 250 on ESPN...but if he's 275, maybe he's a speed rushing DE
The talking heads all say he is 275 pounds now. He was close to 250 pounds coming out of high school. I wouldn't be surprised if he has grown a few inches since then too.
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:14 PM   #10
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After doing a little research...apparently LeBron can run a 4.6...

6'8"
250
44" vertical
4.6 speed

I google'd how much he could bench...came up with 390 lbs.

This guy is just a freak.
Your best example of a guy that could dominate as an NFL WR runs a 4.6? That's near the bottom of the WR who run in the combine. There are NFL guys that can run circles around him.
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:19 PM   #11
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Your best example of a guy that could dominate as an NFL WR runs a 4.6? That's near the bottom of the WR who run in the combine. There are NFL guys that can run circles around him.
you don't need to separate from coverage when you can simply out-jump coverage...not to mention the fact he pretty much already has a 1 foot head start to begin with...
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:25 PM   #12
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you don't need to separate from coverage when you can simply out-jump coverage...not to mention the fact he pretty much already has a 1 foot head start to begin with...
Since we're never gong to get him on the field there is no way to know. A lot of freaks have busted in the NFL. I don't even think the question of whether player x could play sport y is even close to the best way to assess athleticism.

Do you at least concede that the overall speed in the NFL exceeds the overall speed in the NBA? Take the top 20th percentile in each sport.
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:37 PM   #13
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Since we're never gong to get him on the field there is no way to know. A lot of freaks have busted in the NFL. I don't even think the question of whether player x could play sport y is even close to the best way to assess athleticism.

Do you at least concede that the overall speed in the NFL exceeds the overall speed in the NBA? Take the top 20th percentile in each sport.
I'd say that's a fair assumption.
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Old 01-19-2009, 03:21 AM   #14
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Your best example of a guy that could dominate as an NFL WR runs a 4.6? That's near the bottom of the WR who run in the combine. There are NFL guys that can run circles around him.
Didn't some guy by the name of Jerry Rice run a 4.6 40?
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Old 01-18-2009, 08:45 PM   #15
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After doing a little research...apparently LeBron can run a 4.6...

6'8"
250
44" vertical
4.6 speed

I google'd how much he could bench...came up with 390 lbs.

This guy is just a freak.
4.6 is slow for NFL WR. He'd project at TE, and would no doubt be a great one.

But one man doesn't solve an argument.

Larry Bird is one of the best b'ball players ever, but he kills your argument in the other direction.

And I wouldn't argue that Michael Jordan sucked as an athlete because he washed out as a baseball player.

Focusing on one person, or one set of skills (such as hitting a ball, or shooting a hoop) makes the whole conversation pointless.
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