just more speculation about RGIII

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

You set your team back only if you are too stupid to adjust your personel strategies to the decisions you make.

I'm talking about if RGIII is anything less than a franchise QB.

When you make that kind of a bold trade, you HAVE to start him for 3-4 years. You have no choice. More importantly, you are giving away two drafts. Which means that the guys you formerly had for cheap like Albert, Moeaki, Houston, etc.... those guys are going to start to get paid and you wont' be able to afford all of them.

We'd have a 2-3 year window. After that, we better hope RGIII is Peyton Manning good (even Matt Ryan good wont' be good enough to carry a team built purely through free agency).

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't have a problem trading a draft away. But we are essentially trading two drafts away. That's just reckless. Again, if you whiff on a first round QB, that's fine. If you whiff on a first round QB you traded 2 rounds away for, you essentially set your team back 5-6 years.

The Giants traded 2 1st round picks(Philip Rivers, '05 pick), a third rounder, and a 5th rounder. HOW ON EARTH IS THAT AN ENTIRE DRAFT?! Or even TWO for that matter?

So if you trade our first this year, a tagged Carr(who we're losing anyway), and a2nd or 3rd and a 4th or 5th. Then, receive one or two compensatory picks(from Orton and Shaun Smith), how in the hell is that TWO FULL DRAFTS?

Hell, trade our first, Carr, a 3rd and 5th this year and a 3rd next year and we still make out.

RG3, is worth it. Why don't you ask the Giants if Manning wasn't worth the risk.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Hell, trade our first, Carr, a 3rd and 5th this year and a 3rd next year and we still make out.

I don't think that is enough to get him.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by aturnis

The Giants traded 2 1st round picks(Philip Rivers, '05 pick), a third rounder, and a 5th rounder. HOW ON EARTH IS THAT AN ENTIRE DRAFT?! Or even TWO for that matter?

So if you trade our first this year, a tagged Carr(who we're losing anyway), and a2nd or 3rd and a 4th or 5th. Then, receive one or two compensatory picks(from Orton and Shaun Smith), how in the hell is that TWO FULL DRAFTS?

Hell, trade our first, Carr, a 3rd and 5th this year and a 3rd next year and we still make out.

RG3, is worth it. Why don't you ask the Giants if Manning wasn't worth the risk.

You're serious? You really think a trade up from #11 to #2 is going to be even CLOSE to the compensation required to go up from #4 to #1? Especially given the enormous dropoff in talent when the Rams move that far?

And can we please stop with all the ridiculous conjecture that teams with great picks are going to want to trade for a very expensive CB?

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You're serious? You really think a trade up from #11 to #2 is going to be even CLOSE to the compensation required to go up from #4 to #1? Especially given the enormous dropoff in talent when the Rams move that far?

And can we please stop with all the ridiculous conjecture that teams with great picks are going to want to trade for a very expensive CB?

We need to do whatever it takes to trade up. WTF do we have to lose? We have 3 playoff wins in 40+ years. The Giants have more playoff wins this year than we have in 40+. They were not afraid to do what it took to get Eli even though he might bust.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You're serious? You really think a trade up from #11 to #2 is going to be even CLOSE to the compensation required to go up from #4 to #1? Especially given the enormous dropoff in talent when the Rams move that far?

And can we please stop with all the ridiculous conjecture that teams with great picks are going to want to trade for a very expensive CB?

Or they could fill their gaping CB hole with a 1st, 2nd round CB who winds up busting.

Seriously, Carr is a known, he is young, he is good and he has yet to reach his ceiling.

Also, we can always give up higher picks than the 3rd, 5th. A 2nd and 5th next year and our 3rd and 5th this year...

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by aturnis

The Giants traded 2 1st round picks(Philip Rivers, '05 pick), a third rounder, and a 5th rounder. HOW ON EARTH IS THAT AN ENTIRE DRAFT?! Or even TWO for that matter?

So if you trade our first this year, a tagged Carr(who we're losing anyway), and a2nd or 3rd and a 4th or 5th. Then, receive one or two compensatory picks(from Orton and Shaun Smith), how in the hell is that TWO FULL DRAFTS?

Hell, trade our first, Carr, a 3rd and 5th this year and a 3rd next year and we still make out.

RG3, is worth it. Why don't you ask the Giants if Manning wasn't worth the risk.

I agree with you and this is what I don't get. Some want a championship, but won't do what it takes to do it. Any thought of trading up gets shot down because it might be too expensive because we might "fail". Granted the way we have been doing it for 40+ years is safe, but has netted us 3 playoff wins. The Giants didn't think the cost for Eli was too high even though he might "fail". Funny enough they won more playoff games THIS YEAR than we have in over 40.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by tredadda

I agree with you and this is what I don't get. Some want a championship, but won't do what it takes to do it. Any thought of trading up gets shot down because it might be too expensive because we might "fail". Granted the way we have been doing it for 40+ years is safe, but has netted us 3 playoff wins. The Giants didn't think the cost for Eli was too high even though he might "fail". Funny enough they won more playoff games THIS YEAR than we have in over 40.

We will have to trade a lot more than the Giants had to trade.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by tredadda

I agree with you and this is what I don't get. Some want a championship, but won't do what it takes to do it. Any thought of trading up gets shot down because it might be too expensive because we might "fail". Granted the way we have been doing it for 40+ years is safe, but has netted us 3 playoff wins. The Giants didn't think the cost for Eli was too high even though he might "fail". Funny enough they won more playoff games THIS YEAR than we have in over 40.

I don't think anybody has a problem offering the trade comp the Chargers sent to the Giants.

You would have to be INSANE to think that that would be even close to what the Rams want for this pick.

There is absolutely a line where the trade comp is too much. Risking one full draft, I don't have a problem with that. Risking two, which is what we will likely have to do, very big problem with that.

[Sofa King]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't have a problem trading a draft away. But we are essentially trading two drafts away. That's just reckless. Again, if you whiff on a first round QB, that's fine. If you whiff on a first round QB you traded 2 rounds away for, you essentially set your team back 5-6 years.

this shit just kills me.

What exactly are we setting ourselves back from???? From our current Superbowl winning team? Oh wait. Our playoff game winning team? Nope.

We are shit. You can't set yourself back from shit.

There's 1 position to blame for us being shit, and that's the QB. Griffin's worth an entire draft, at least.

[Bane]

Originally Posted by Sofa King

this shit just kills me.

What exactly are we setting ourselves back from???? From our current Superbowl winning team? Oh wait. Our playoff game winning team? Nope.

We are shit. You can't set yourself back from shit.

There's 1 position to blame for us being shit, and that's the QB. Griffin's worth an entire draft, at least.

We've only sucked for 30 years man.....We'll take a QB some other time BRAH!!!

[Sofa King]

Originally Posted by Bane

We've only sucked for 30 years man.....We'll take a QB some other time BRAH!!!

It's hard to match your pick up with Mel Kipers ratings. I mean, if he has a QB rated as the 10th best player, and you have the 15th pick, it's game over man. Better try again next year. It's not worth trading extra picks to trade up. What if he busts! We'll be out that backup TE and backup S we would have drafted with those 4th and 5th round picks.

Good news though. You'll probably have the 15th pick again since your super deep, super talented team was able to carry some shitty QB to a 7-9 record again. HOORAY!!!

I sure hope one of those second tier non-franchise changing QB's is still there next year!! (But they have to be rated by mel to be picked there. I'm NOT reaching for a QB. This isn't Madden.)

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Bane

We've only sucked for 30 years man.....We'll take a QB some other time BRAH!!!

We had a franchise qb. Trent green. You don't ever wonder what this team could have been if we had any kind of success in drafting during the vermeil era? You don't remember how piss poor drafting decisions led us to 5 years of excruciatingly painful rebuild?

You have to have a franchise qb. And you have to draft consistently well. It is absolutely ridiculous to claim that any team abandon one of those things in pursuit of the other. This team hasn't had a franchise qb. Piss poor drafting is also to blame. But you know what? For the first time in years, I feel like our drafting is getting the job done.

[MahiMike]

Peyton is better and cheaper!

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

Peyton is better and cheaper!

That's only because the neck is extra.