just more speculation about RGIII

[tooge]

Well, at least they mention the chiefs


Robert Griffin trade rumors already spinning out of control
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 28, 2012, 4:04 PM EST

APForget the Combine. Forget free agency. Robert Griffin III trade chatter dominates the NFL discussion these days.

And it’s still February.

Perhaps Rams COO Kevin Demoff is right: It’s getting less crazy to imagine a deal could be completed before free agency. We’ve read and heard an unprecedented amount of trade rumors about the No. 2 overall pick for this time of year.

Let’s go over the latest:

1. Mike Jones of the Washington Post writes the Redskins would give up the No. 6 overall pick and next year’s first round pick in addition to multiple picks in the mid-to-upper rounds of the draft. Consider this the starting point for negotiations.

The Rams are reportedly looking for a similar package to the one San Diego netted for Eli Manning: Two firsts (including the No. 4 overall pick), a third- and fifth-round pick. The Redskins sound ready to meet this demand.

2. Texas A&M prospect Ryan Tannehill is watching the Griffin talk closely. Jones believes the Redskins would take Tannehill at No. 6 overal if they can’t get Griffin.

3. Terry Pluto of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer believes the Browns will ultimately have to give up three first-round picks in order to land Griffin. Do I hear four, Redskins? (This reminds us of a classic article by the Onion.)

4. Demoff told Peter King of SI.com that the Rams received a feeler from a team “you would never expect.” Does Kansas City count? If not, we’ll roll with Philadelphia as our irresponsible guess for a mystery team. Enter your pick below.

5. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch considers the Redskins the early favorite to land Griffin. This sounds true based on all the reports, plus Mike Shanahan’s close relationship with Jeff Fisher.

[RippedmyFlesh]

Originally Posted by Otter

You're forgetting the great Pat Barnes draft?

He was 4th round.
The entire list is short and horrific
http://pfref.com/tiny/O1Dpx

Year Rnd Pick Player Pos Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ
1964 1 2 Pete Beathard QB KAN 1964 1973 0 0 3 29 110 575 1282 8176 43 84 131 680 11 USC
1979 1 23 Steve Fuller QB KAN 1979 1986 0 0 2 29 90 605 1066 7156 28 41 186 908 11 Clemson
1983 1 7 Todd Blackledge QB KAN 1983 1989 0 0 0 12 46 424 881 5286 29 38 81 325 2 Penn St.
1968 2 48 Mike Livingston QB KAN 1968 1979 0 1 5 43 91 912 1751 11295 56 83 156 682 7 SMU
1989 2 32 Mike Elkins QB KAN 1989 1989 0 0 0 0 1 1 2 5 0 1 Wake Forest
1992 2 40 Matt Blundin QB KAN 1993 1997 0 0 0 0 3 2 9 15 0 2 Virginia
1962 3 19 Eddie Wilson QB DTX 1962 1965 0 0 1 6 56 90 186 1251 5 6 23 59 1 Arizona
1974 3 66 David Jaynes QB KAN 1974 1974 0 0 0 0 2 0 2 0 0 1 1 0 0 Kansas
2006 3 85 Brodie Croyle QB KAN 2006 2010 0 0 0 2 18 181 319 1669 8 9 10 15 0 Alabama
1978 4 104 Pete Woods QB KAN 0 0 0 Missouri
1995 4 134 Steve Stenstrom QB KAN 1996 1999 0 0 0 6 17 177 314 1895 4 12 22 100 2 Stanford
1997 4 110 Pat Barnes QB KAN 1999 1999 0 0 0 0 1 California
2011 5 135 Ricky Stanzi QB KAN 2011 2011 0 0 0 Iowa
1972 7 179 Dean Carlson QB KAN 1974 1974 0 0 0 0 1 7 15 116 0 1 2 17 0 Iowa St.
1987 7 186 Doug Hudson QB KAN 1987 1987 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 Nicholls St.
1994 7 199 Steve Matthews QB KAN 1997 1998 0 0 0 1 3 28 43 299 0 0 1 10 0 Memphis
2005 7 229 James Kilian QB KAN 0 0 0 Tulsa
1965 8 61 Danny Thomas QB KAN 0 0 0 SMU
1977 10 261 Mark Vitali QB KAN 0 0 0 Purdue
1988 11 282 Danny McManus QB KAN 0 0 0 Florida St.
1981 12 319 Bob Gagliano QB KAN 1982 1992 0 0 0 13 32 249 486 3431 17 27 93 352 4 Utah St.
1971 13 328 Chuck Hixson QB KAN 0 0 0 SMU
1976 13 361 Joe Bruner QB KAN 0 0 0 La-Monroe
1964 16 122 Roger Staubach HOF QB KAN 1969 1979 0 6 8 104 131 1685 2958 22700 153 109 410 2264 20 Navy
1963 17 136 Billy Moore QB KAN 0 0 0 Arkansas
1961 21 166 Dick Thornton QB DTX 0 0 0 Northwestern
1962 24 187 Pat Trammell QB DTX 0 0 0 Alabama
1961 25 198 Ray Ramsey QB DTX 0 0 0 Adams St.
1962 26 203 Walt Rappold QB DTX 0 0 0 Duke
1961 27 214 Bob Schloredt QB DTX 0 0 0 Washington

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh

He was 4th round.
The entire list is short and horrific
http://pfref.com/tiny/O1Dpx

Year Rnd Pick Player Pos Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ
1964 1 2 Pete Beathard QB KAN 1964 1973 0 0 3 29 110 575 1282 8176 43 84 131 680 11 USC
1979 1 23 Steve Fuller QB KAN 1979 1986 0 0 2 29 90 605 1066 7156 28 41 186 908 11 Clemson
1983 1 7 Todd Blackledge QB KAN 1983 1989 0 0 0 12 46 424 881 5286 29 38 81 325 2 Penn St.
1968 2 48 Mike Livingston QB KAN 1968 1979 0 1 5 43 91 912 1751 11295 56 83 156 682 7 SMU
1989 2 32 Mike Elkins QB KAN 1989 1989 0 0 0 0 1 1 2 5 0 1 Wake Forest
1992 2 40 Matt Blundin QB KAN 1993 1997 0 0 0 0 3 2 9 15 0 2 Virginia
1962 3 19 Eddie Wilson QB DTX 1962 1965 0 0 1 6 56 90 186 1251 5 6 23 59 1 Arizona
1974 3 66 David Jaynes QB KAN 1974 1974 0 0 0 0 2 0 2 0 0 1 1 0 0 Kansas
2006 3 85 Brodie Croyle QB KAN 2006 2010 0 0 0 2 18 181 319 1669 8 9 10 15 0 Alabama
1978 4 104 Pete Woods QB KAN 0 0 0 Missouri
1995 4 134 Steve Stenstrom QB KAN 1996 1999 0 0 0 6 17 177 314 1895 4 12 22 100 2 Stanford
1997 4 110 Pat Barnes QB KAN 1999 1999 0 0 0 0 1 California
2011 5 135 Ricky Stanzi QB KAN 2011 2011 0 0 0 Iowa
1972 7 179 Dean Carlson QB KAN 1974 1974 0 0 0 0 1 7 15 116 0 1 2 17 0 Iowa St.
1987 7 186 Doug Hudson QB KAN 1987 1987 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 Nicholls St.
1994 7 199 Steve Matthews QB KAN 1997 1998 0 0 0 1 3 28 43 299 0 0 1 10 0 Memphis
2005 7 229 James Kilian QB KAN 0 0 0 Tulsa
1965 8 61 Danny Thomas QB KAN 0 0 0 SMU
1977 10 261 Mark Vitali QB KAN 0 0 0 Purdue
1988 11 282 Danny McManus QB KAN 0 0 0 Florida St.
1981 12 319 Bob Gagliano QB KAN 1982 1992 0 0 0 13 32 249 486 3431 17 27 93 352 4 Utah St.
1971 13 328 Chuck Hixson QB KAN 0 0 0 SMU
1976 13 361 Joe Bruner QB KAN 0 0 0 La-Monroe
1964 16 122 Roger Staubach HOF QB KAN 1969 1979 0 6 8 104 131 1685 2958 22700 153 109 410 2264 20 Navy
1963 17 136 Billy Moore QB KAN 0 0 0 Arkansas
1961 21 166 Dick Thornton QB DTX 0 0 0 Northwestern
1962 24 187 Pat Trammell QB DTX 0 0 0 Alabama
1961 25 198 Ray Ramsey QB DTX 0 0 0 Adams St.
1962 26 203 Walt Rappold QB DTX 0 0 0 Duke
1961 27 214 Bob Schloredt QB DTX 0 0 0 Washington

So the Chiefs did draft a franchise quarterback once: Roger Staubach.

[RippedmyFlesh]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

So the Chiefs did draft a franchise quarterback once: Roger Staubach.

If you do GB's list from 1939 to present there are 2 Bart Starr and Rogers.
Denver would be 1. So you aren't lighting it up either.

SF had 3 Earl Morrall, John Brodie and Montana.
It doesn't happen often they are rare.
If your GB it's 2.
If SF 3.
It just seems like more from them but alot of qb's make it with their 2nd go round like farve and young

[RippedmyFlesh]

Originally Posted by splatbass

Len Dawson wasn't a franchise QB? Three AFL Championships, two SBs, one SB win. NFL Hall of Fame. Not a franchise QB? Really?

He wasn't drafted by KC.
But I would bet there are a lot of teams whose best QB was not drafted by them originally.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by BossChief

1987

The last time a first round pick quarterback started for this team.

That can't be right, can it?

Not just start, last time a quarterback who was drafted in the first round by any team was on the roster.
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[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh

But I would bet there are a lot of teams whose best QB was not drafted by them originally.

I would say that is false.
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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by eric007

I see you already think we are going to be 2-14.

We have zero chance at Barkley next year. If either bray or Murray declare next year, we have a great shot at trading up to get one of those guys or Wilson. People have to realize that it's not hard to trade from 25 to the top 10. It's Very very tough to trade from outside the top 10 into the top 3.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Jerm

I wish Pioli had Dimitroff's balls...he'd do it.

I see RGIII being a very successful NFL QB and one that can win a SB so IMO the price isn't too high.

You can make the argument we're one franchise QB away from going deep in the playoffs or even contending for a Super Bowl so why not take that chance? I would be just fine if we went for it and it didn't work out as opposed to not even trying.

Again, if you're trade comp is too high, you are betting the farm that rgIII is the answer. Again, if we have to sacrifice two drafts... People are really undermining how much that hurts us. I think rgIII is a good qb, but I also think he is a qb who will need a lot of help to win a super bowl.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

People are really undermining how much that hurts us. I think rgIII is a good qb, but I also think he is a qb who will need a lot of help to win a super bowl.

Exactly, if the Chiefs miss they are looking at not winning a playoff game in 20 years. Something like that would never happen barring a team going all out for a franchise QB.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Exactly, if the Chiefs miss they are looking at not winning a playoff game in 20 years. Something like that would never happen barring a team going all out for a franchise QB.

Look, I know the chiefs need a qb. But trading into an ultra competitive pick in a very shallow qb class is bot the way to do it. People keep saying there isn't a price. There absolutely is. If the rams are willing to take the ticky tack trade bait proposed in this thread then it's a great trade. But the reality is, the chiefs will have to trade not just the moon, but the sun the moon and the stars to get rgIII.

Wait one year. Again, regardless of our record next year, there's a very good chance we can trade up to get a good qb for significantly less.

[chiefzilla1501]

For the record... This thread clearly shows that people are so stuck on getting a franchise qb that they truly believe the draft means nothing. Teams have to win both by having a franchise qb and drafting well. Indy is a rare exception.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

For the record... This thread clearly shows that people are so stuck on getting a franchise qb that they truly believe the draft means nothing. Teams have to win both by having a franchise qb and drafting well. Indy is a rare exception.

They want to trade a Brinks truck full of picks to DRAFT a QB. Obviously, the draft means A LOT.

[InChiefsHeaven]

I had no idea Staubach was drafted by the Chiefs...

[Sofa King]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't have a problem trading a draft away. But we are essentially trading two drafts away. That's just reckless. Again, if you whiff on a first round QB, that's fine. If you whiff on a first round QB you traded 2 rounds away for, you essentially set your team back 5-6 years.

this shit just kills me.

What exactly are we setting ourselves back from???? From our current Superbowl winning team? Oh wait. Our playoff game winning team? Nope.

We are shit. You can't set yourself back from shit.

There's 1 position to blame for us being shit, and that's the QB. Griffin's worth an entire draft, at least.

[Bane]

Originally Posted by Sofa King

this shit just kills me.

What exactly are we setting ourselves back from???? From our current Superbowl winning team? Oh wait. Our playoff game winning team? Nope.

We are shit. You can't set yourself back from shit.

There's 1 position to blame for us being shit, and that's the QB. Griffin's worth an entire draft, at least.

We've only sucked for 30 years man.....We'll take a QB some other time BRAH!!!