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Old 12-06-2011, 08:20 PM   #1
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I'm a Cardinal fan so maybe I'm a little sore on the subject, but in my eyes this makes him worse than Lebron.

Lebron left because he wanted to win a championship. Or basically have one given to him.

Albert has won 2 WS as a Cardinal. This is all about money. Can't blame the guy I guess, I just like guys of his stature to start and finish with one team.
No, totally, totally different situations.

I like the Cardinals and hope Pujols stays. But how can you blame him for wanting more money at this stage in his career? He's earned that right. Lebron, on the other hand, promised Cleveland a championship and then chicken-shitted out so he can buy a championship. And unless Pujols makes some kind of a chicken shit announcement on national TV, he'll do it with more character than Lebron did too.

I could see why a Cards fan would be mad. But it's hard to mad at a guy who has done so much for the team and the city.
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:22 PM   #2
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No, totally, totally different situations.

I like the Cardinals and hope Pujols stays. But how can you blame him for wanting more money at this stage in his career? He's earned that right. Lebron, on the other hand, promised Cleveland a championship and then chicken-shitted out so he can buy a championship. And unless Pujols makes some kind of a chicken shit announcement on national TV, he'll do it with more character than Lebron did too.

I could see why a Cards fan would be mad. But it's hard to mad at a guy who has done so much for the team and the city.
LeBron got tired of waiting for the Cavs to put some good complimentary players around him imo. I've never blamed him for leaving. He didn't get much help from the front office in Cleveland.
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:54 PM   #3
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LeBron got tired of waiting for the Cavs to put some good complimentary players around him imo. I've never blamed him for leaving. He didn't get much help from the front office in Cleveland.
He had plenty good enough supporting casts for a marquee player to win a championship with. The team was built around him.

Pujols has worked hard, carried himself humbly, finished business in STL, and is now leaving for more money. Not a decision I would make, but maybe he's looking for a new challenge. New scenery. Or to make a little bit more money before he retires. But the difference is, he doesn't leave with any unfinished business.

Lebron gave up in his final playoff series with the Cavs, knew he was going to Miami the entire year and yet strung the Cavs along for an entire year (screwing the Cavs' chance to get good free agents), went on live TV to humiliate a city of very loyal fans, and then spent an entire year wondering why people were mad about it. And worst of all, he committed the biggest crime to a sports fan--he decided he was going to manipulate the system to win a championship because he couldn't do it on his own.

This isn't even in the same ballpark as Lebron.
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Old 12-06-2011, 09:00 PM   #4
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He had plenty good enough supporting casts for a marquee player to win a championship with. The team was built around him.

Pujols has worked hard, carried himself humbly, finished business in STL, and is now leaving for more money. Not a decision I would make, but maybe he's looking for a new challenge. New scenery. Or to make a little bit more money before he retires. But the difference is, he doesn't leave with any unfinished business.

Lebron gave up in his final playoff series with the Cavs, knew he was going to Miami the entire year and yet strung the Cavs along for an entire year (screwing the Cavs' chance to get good free agents), went on live TV to humiliate a city of very loyal fans, and then spent an entire year wondering why people were mad about it. And worst of all, he committed the biggest crime to a sports fan--he decided he was going to manipulate the system to win a championship because he couldn't do it on his own.

This isn't even in the same ballpark as Lebron.
I didn't say Pujols is the same as LeBron, I just said I didn't blame LeBron for leaving. The way he did it was stupid yes. We can disagree on the level of talent around LeBron.
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Old 12-06-2011, 09:10 PM   #5
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He had plenty good enough supporting casts for a marquee player to win a championship with. The team was built around him.
You and Dan Gilbert are the only idiots you actually beleive this.
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:24 PM   #6
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I could see why a Cards fan would be mad. But it's hard to mad at a guy who has done so much for the team and the city.
yep...he's a great player and i believe he's a great person. but once he signs w/another team, he'll never be the greatest cardinal. i hoped to see him try to be that, but oh well.
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:27 PM   #7
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No, totally, totally different situations.

I like the Cardinals and hope Pujols stays. But how can you blame him for wanting more money at this stage in his career? He's earned that right. Lebron, on the other hand, promised Cleveland a championship and then chicken-shitted out so he can buy a championship. And unless Pujols makes some kind of a chicken shit announcement on national TV, he'll do it with more character than Lebron did too.

I could see why a Cards fan would be mad. But it's hard to mad at a guy who has done so much for the team and the city.
I guess so. I just see it as look what the team and city has done for Albert. He has a chance to be "the" Cardinal. Not a Cardinal, "the" Cardinal. I guess in my eyes as a big Cardinal fan that would be worth more to me than the money.

Also how much more money are we talking in Miami? I havne't really paid attention to that.
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:31 PM   #8
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I guess so. I just see it as look what the team and city has done for Albert. He has a chance to be "the" Cardinal. Not a Cardinal, "the" Cardinal. I guess in my eyes as a big Cardinal fan that would be worth more to me than the money.

Also how much more money are we talking in Miami? I havne't really paid attention to that.
There was a report of $230 mill but it's unconfirmed I think.

I agree with you though... I hate the Cardinals but Pujols should stay there and be the man. It's not like he's going to run out of money with what they can pay. I appreciate guys who are loyal to teams/citys that are good to them.
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There was a report of $230 mill but it's unconfirmed I think.

I agree with you though... I hate the Cardinals but Pujols should stay there and be the man. It's not like he's going to run out of money with what they can pay. I appreciate guys who are loyal to teams/citys that are good to them.
Meh. Like UFC Knight said, Pujols has also been good to the Cardinals. He's been paid 14mil(?) a year through his prime up until now. I think it's time for the Cardinals to step up to the plate.
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Old 12-07-2011, 11:34 AM   #10
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No, totally, totally different situations.

I like the Cardinals and hope Pujols stays. But how can you blame him for wanting more money at this stage in his career? He's earned that right. Lebron, on the other hand, promised Cleveland a championship and then chicken-shitted out so he can buy a championship. And unless Pujols makes some kind of a chicken shit announcement on national TV, he'll do it with more character than Lebron did too.

I could see why a Cards fan would be mad. But it's hard to mad at a guy who has done so much for the team and the city.
Exactly.

The Cardinals front office got Pujols for 11 years at about 20% of this true financial value to the franchise. He was a screaming bargain over that time period.

If they had a brain in their head, they'd hold that money in a sort of 'escrow' because they know this day is coming.

Well now it's time to pay the man if you want to keep him. Sure, you can 'sell high' on him, take your excess value and let the Marlins foolishly overpay for him. Or you could take that excess value, put it back into Pujols and essentially 'purchase' a legend. By re-investing the excess value of the previous 11 years back into Pujols, DeWitt and Co. will ensure that Pujols goes down as the 2nd greatest Cardinal of all time.

Pujols has every right to demand that re-investment from the franchise, IMO. He doesn't owe the Cardinals a hometown discount at this point; he already gave them one for his entire prime.
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One thing people have to understand is this is a Jim Thome situation... MLB union won't allow hometown discounts... and FWIW the Cardinals have already had one hell of a hometown discount from him.
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One thing people have to understand is this is a Jim Thome situation... MLB union won't allow hometown discounts...
I'm not sure about that. On a much smaller scale Bruce Chen reportedly re-signed with KC for a little less than another offer. There's mention of it in the repository thread somewhere.
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10 years? No thanks if I am the Cards. Up the annual money and go 7.

Maybe 8. No more. Anyone giving him 10 years is nuts and I am a huge Cards fan.
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If he does leave St. Louis, it would be a good time for the Royals to start winning. They could recoup alot of the bandwagoners who hopped on the Cardinals train.
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10 years, 200 million is a lot, and Albert probably has 5-7 years left...but if you win another world series or two, wouldn't it be worth the cost?

And I don't believe this crap I hear about St. Louis being a "small market" team....They have the cash to do this, and it would not hamper them in anyway to continue to rebuild a winner.
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