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Old 12-06-2011, 08:20 PM   #1
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I'm a Cardinal fan so maybe I'm a little sore on the subject, but in my eyes this makes him worse than Lebron.

Lebron left because he wanted to win a championship. Or basically have one given to him.

Albert has won 2 WS as a Cardinal. This is all about money. Can't blame the guy I guess, I just like guys of his stature to start and finish with one team.
No, totally, totally different situations.

I like the Cardinals and hope Pujols stays. But how can you blame him for wanting more money at this stage in his career? He's earned that right. Lebron, on the other hand, promised Cleveland a championship and then chicken-shitted out so he can buy a championship. And unless Pujols makes some kind of a chicken shit announcement on national TV, he'll do it with more character than Lebron did too.

I could see why a Cards fan would be mad. But it's hard to mad at a guy who has done so much for the team and the city.
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:22 PM   #2
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No, totally, totally different situations.

I like the Cardinals and hope Pujols stays. But how can you blame him for wanting more money at this stage in his career? He's earned that right. Lebron, on the other hand, promised Cleveland a championship and then chicken-shitted out so he can buy a championship. And unless Pujols makes some kind of a chicken shit announcement on national TV, he'll do it with more character than Lebron did too.

I could see why a Cards fan would be mad. But it's hard to mad at a guy who has done so much for the team and the city.
LeBron got tired of waiting for the Cavs to put some good complimentary players around him imo. I've never blamed him for leaving. He didn't get much help from the front office in Cleveland.
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:54 PM   #3
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LeBron got tired of waiting for the Cavs to put some good complimentary players around him imo. I've never blamed him for leaving. He didn't get much help from the front office in Cleveland.
He had plenty good enough supporting casts for a marquee player to win a championship with. The team was built around him.

Pujols has worked hard, carried himself humbly, finished business in STL, and is now leaving for more money. Not a decision I would make, but maybe he's looking for a new challenge. New scenery. Or to make a little bit more money before he retires. But the difference is, he doesn't leave with any unfinished business.

Lebron gave up in his final playoff series with the Cavs, knew he was going to Miami the entire year and yet strung the Cavs along for an entire year (screwing the Cavs' chance to get good free agents), went on live TV to humiliate a city of very loyal fans, and then spent an entire year wondering why people were mad about it. And worst of all, he committed the biggest crime to a sports fan--he decided he was going to manipulate the system to win a championship because he couldn't do it on his own.

This isn't even in the same ballpark as Lebron.
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Old 12-06-2011, 09:00 PM   #4
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He had plenty good enough supporting casts for a marquee player to win a championship with. The team was built around him.

Pujols has worked hard, carried himself humbly, finished business in STL, and is now leaving for more money. Not a decision I would make, but maybe he's looking for a new challenge. New scenery. Or to make a little bit more money before he retires. But the difference is, he doesn't leave with any unfinished business.

Lebron gave up in his final playoff series with the Cavs, knew he was going to Miami the entire year and yet strung the Cavs along for an entire year (screwing the Cavs' chance to get good free agents), went on live TV to humiliate a city of very loyal fans, and then spent an entire year wondering why people were mad about it. And worst of all, he committed the biggest crime to a sports fan--he decided he was going to manipulate the system to win a championship because he couldn't do it on his own.

This isn't even in the same ballpark as Lebron.
I didn't say Pujols is the same as LeBron, I just said I didn't blame LeBron for leaving. The way he did it was stupid yes. We can disagree on the level of talent around LeBron.
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He had plenty good enough supporting casts for a marquee player to win a championship with. The team was built around him.
You and Dan Gilbert are the only idiots you actually beleive this.
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Old 12-06-2011, 09:19 PM   #6
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You and Dan Gilbert are the only idiots you actually beleive this.
Drew Gooden, Ilgauskus, Larry Hughes, Varejao. And in every team he played for, the Cavs had one of the most suffocating defenses in the league with plenty of solid role players. The team was built around a superstar. In the later years, they couldn't get Lebron better players because Lebron refused to sign a long-term contract. That's why they traded for shitty stopgaps like Jamison and Joe Smith. Because no free agent in their right mind would sign a long-term deal.

Lebron played on plenty of supporting casts that would have won a championship with a superstar.
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Drew Gooden, Ilgauskus, Larry Hughes, Varejao.
You're really making the arguement that those 4 guys were a good enough supporting cast to win a title? Really? Even as a KU homer I know Gooden was mostly worthless... and Anderson Varejao?! Anderson Varejao???!!!

Good God man! Hate LeBron all you want but damn...
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You're really making the arguement that those 4 guys were a good enough supporting cast to win a title? Really? Even as a KU homer I know Gooden was mostly worthless... and Anderson Varejao?! Anderson Varejao???!!!

Good God man! Hate LeBron all you want but damn...
LeBron/a young Z/Larry Hughes/Gooden with Varejao as the #6 guy off the bench... it's not nearly as bad as people say. And Eric Snow as a useless scorer, but a good ballhandler and defender. In his latter years, they never brought in the marquee free agents. But they were a defensive powerhouse with good, solid role players. The problem is that people are stuck on this idea that you have to build a roster stacked with superstars.

The team was built very well for Lebron. The problem is that the Cavs built the team to support Lebron being "the guy." Pretty clear that in Miami, that's not who he is. His ego will never admit it, but he's a very good player who needs somebody else to take over in key moments.

Lebron had a good enough supporting cast early in his career to win a championship. Later in his career, if he committed to Cleveland, he could have convinced a very good free agent to sign a long-term contract there.
So instead, the Cavs fell over backwards for him and tried to piece together shitty 2-year stopgaps like Jamison, all aimed at getting Lebron a winner so he'd stay in Cleveland. Lebron weaseled his way into convincing not one but two marquee players to sign in Miami. He couldn't have even tried to do the same in Cleveland?
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I could see why a Cards fan would be mad. But it's hard to mad at a guy who has done so much for the team and the city.
yep...he's a great player and i believe he's a great person. but once he signs w/another team, he'll never be the greatest cardinal. i hoped to see him try to be that, but oh well.
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No, totally, totally different situations.

I like the Cardinals and hope Pujols stays. But how can you blame him for wanting more money at this stage in his career? He's earned that right. Lebron, on the other hand, promised Cleveland a championship and then chicken-shitted out so he can buy a championship. And unless Pujols makes some kind of a chicken shit announcement on national TV, he'll do it with more character than Lebron did too.

I could see why a Cards fan would be mad. But it's hard to mad at a guy who has done so much for the team and the city.
I guess so. I just see it as look what the team and city has done for Albert. He has a chance to be "the" Cardinal. Not a Cardinal, "the" Cardinal. I guess in my eyes as a big Cardinal fan that would be worth more to me than the money.

Also how much more money are we talking in Miami? I havne't really paid attention to that.
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I guess so. I just see it as look what the team and city has done for Albert. He has a chance to be "the" Cardinal. Not a Cardinal, "the" Cardinal. I guess in my eyes as a big Cardinal fan that would be worth more to me than the money.

Also how much more money are we talking in Miami? I havne't really paid attention to that.
There was a report of $230 mill but it's unconfirmed I think.

I agree with you though... I hate the Cardinals but Pujols should stay there and be the man. It's not like he's going to run out of money with what they can pay. I appreciate guys who are loyal to teams/citys that are good to them.
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There was a report of $230 mill but it's unconfirmed I think.

I agree with you though... I hate the Cardinals but Pujols should stay there and be the man. It's not like he's going to run out of money with what they can pay. I appreciate guys who are loyal to teams/citys that are good to them.
Meh. Like UFC Knight said, Pujols has also been good to the Cardinals. He's been paid 14mil(?) a year through his prime up until now. I think it's time for the Cardinals to step up to the plate.
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Meh. Like UFC Knight said, Pujols has also been good to the Cardinals. He's been paid 14mil(?) a year through his prime up until now. I think it's time for the Cardinals to step up to the plate.
If the report of them being at 10 years and over 200 mill now is true I'd say they have stepped up. I think they'd like to be able to keep a team around him too.
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If the report of them being at 10 years and over 200 mill now is true I'd say they have stepped up. I think they'd like to be able to keep a team around him too.
Ya well, they aren't worried about matching any offers he gets. They are expecting a discount.
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Ya well, they aren't worried about matching any offers he gets. They are expecting a discount.
You don't think they should expect one?
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