Offensive struggles the last 2 years are personnel driven, not coaching

[PHOG]

Originally Posted by fuzzy

I agree with you. Andy is old at this point, but I don't think he's lost his touch yet. I still think he's got a few more seasons of magic left in his brain.

The issue is personnel like you said. Specifically, it is the Left Tackle spot. You can't function properly on offense with arguably the worst starting LT in the NFL. We didn't want to pay for Trent Williams so this is what we get. He was there. Veach didn't think Williams was worth it. Well he then went on to have three All Pro 1 seasons after Veach turned him down.

Trent called your bluff Veach.

Originally Posted by fuzzy

I'd trade Creed, Thuney and Trey Smith for Tristan Wirfs. Straight up...

[SHOWTIME]

2025 will be the most important year for Mahomes thus far. He has to have a statement season to quiet the critics. If he continues to play poorly, you can't blame the offensive line this time around.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

2025 will be the most important year for Mahomes thus far. He has to have a statement season to quiet the critics. If he continues to play poorly, you can't blame the offensive line this time around.

I think you still have major question marks with the Offensive Line in April 2025. You got rid of your best guy (Joe Thuney), and you now have a pretty big question mark at Left Guard. Caliendo is not the answer. Will Kingsley be able to handle it? We don't know. Time will tell. Your big money free agent signing at Left Tackle has mostly been a backup throughout his career, and he's coming from the Shanahan scheme. Who knows how Jaylon Moore will perform in Andy Reid's scheme. Hope for the best, but you never know until the games are played.

And then you have Josh Simmons, who is a massive question mark for performance due to the patellar tendon injury. It's pretty rare for guys to come back at high performance after this injury. Sure hope Simmons can overcome the odds people have mentioned on this forum. It would be really cool if Simmons can be another Correll Buckhalter, who had major success coming back from the same injury while playing for Andy Reid in Philadelphia.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

2025 will be the most important year for Mahomes thus far. He has to have a statement season to quiet the critics. If he continues to play poorly, you can't blame the offensive line this time around.

Not that I want to be in the situation of having to cast blame anywhere at the end of the season, but let's be honest here: we don't know how our LT is going to work out and we don't even know who our LG will be. I mean, color me crazy, but if neither our LT or our LG play respectably, I'm going to guess that will have a huge impact on how Mahomes plays this year, no?

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Not that I want to be in the situation of having to cast blame anywhere at the end of the season, but let's be honest here: we don't know how our LT is going to work out and we don't even know who our LG will be. I mean, color me crazy, but if neither our Lt or our LG play respectably, I'm going to guess that will have a huge impact on how Mahomes plays this year, no?

It is interesting that people think losing Joe Thuney will be no big deal. Really hope Kingsley can get the job done. If Caliendo is the starter, that seems like a pretty big red flag for the LG spot. I think there are obviously major questions for Josh Simmons trying to come back from the patellar tendon injury. And Jaylon Moore is still kind of unproven compared to a long-time starter.

Just gotta hope all 3 of these situations can turn out well for the Chiefs. Hope like hell the LG spot isn't a major problem. Hope like hell Jaylon Moore can live up to his big money contract. Hope like hell Josh Simmons can have a much more positive recovery than 80% of the people with a blown patellar tendon.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by DRM08

It is interesting that people think losing Joe Thuney will be no big deal. Really hope Kingsley can get the job done. If Caliendo is the starter, that seems like a pretty big red flag for the LG spot. I think there are obviously major questions for Josh Simmons trying to come back from the patellar tendon injury. And Jaylon Moore is still kind of unproven compared to a long-time starter.

Just gotta hope all 3 of these situations can turn out well for the Chiefs. Hope like hell the LG spot isn't a major problem. Hope like hell Jaylon Moore can live up to his big money contract. Hope like hell Josh Simmons can have a much more positive recovery than 80% of the people with a blown patellar tendon.

I'm not worried about LG at all, we have plenty of reasonable options there besides Caliendo

And I'm not super concerned about LT for the same reason, we have three options there - make it four if Humphries is still in the mix - surely to God one of them can confidently secure the job

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

I'm not worried about LG at all, we have plenty of reasonable options there besides Caliendo

And I'm not super concerned about LT for the same reason, we have three options there - make it four if Humphries is still in the mix - surely to God one of them can confidently secure the job

i hope so. But we had several options at LT last season, and that worked so well we ended up throwing our LG out there to finish the season, so . . .

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

I'm not worried about LG at all, we have plenty of reasonable options there besides Caliendo.

And I'm not super concerned about LT for the same reason, we have three options there - make it four if Humphries is still in the mix - surely to God one of them can confidently secure the job

Based on all the data people have posted here, it seems unlikely that Josh Simmons can be ready to go at a solid level in 2025. Redshirt year is probably an appropriate situation for him.

So we hope Jaylon Moore can do it. I still wonder about Jawaan Taylor. Always thought the goal was to move him to Left Tackle, but they never did it...even last year when the situation became desperate.

[xztop123]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Not that I want to be in the situation of having to cast blame anywhere at the end of the season, but let's be honest here: we don't know how our LT is going to work out and we don't even know who our LG will be. I mean, color me crazy, but if neither our LT or our LG play respectably, I'm going to guess that will have a huge impact on how Mahomes plays this year, no?

Even if caliendo plays lg and Moore or Simmons plays left tackle we are better off than last year just due to how important left tackle is over left guard

Also much more likely to find a plug and play lg than a left tackle which what we were doing last year.

Playing through the playoffs with a lg at left tackle is wildly insane

[RunKC]

Take a guess who determined all of the playcalls on that playsheet Nagy is holding? Bc it ain’t Nagy.

Friendly reminder

Always remember who has 51% of the vote on what the Chiefs offense does, and it's not Eric Bieniemy or Patrick Mahomes.

— Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) September 25, 2022

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Take a guess who determined all of the playcalls on that playsheet Nagy is holding? Bc it ain’t Nagy.

Friendly reminder

Always remember who has 51% of the vote on what the Chiefs offense does, and it's not Eric Bieniemy or Patrick Mahomes.

— Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) September 25, 2022

That was 3 years ago.



Good old days.

[Megatron96]

Eh, Alex was statistically the best QB in the league in 2017.


How this offense rolls this season will have a ton to do with the LT play, imo. Big question mark there. If we get solid performance from our LT, the offense will be decent, maybe even great (assuming that rice comes back 100% from his injury). The other big issue will be play-calling. Looking back over the playoffs/SB, there were a lot of questionable calls and some of the plays were poorly designed, or we had several players running bad routes. Which would go back to coaching again.

[O.city]

Well, fellas, he was never going to have the same OL all the way thru.

And at some point, we're gonna get to a point of "when is any of this on him"?

I've been overly critical of him this past year in hindsight, but all these other QB's have had OL's shuffle. They've had weapons in and out. Different guys etc.

At some point, if he is what we all think, he's gotta get back to playing at that MVP level.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by O.city

Well, fellas, he was never going to have the same OL all the way thru.

And at some point, we're gonna get to a point of "when is any of this on him"?

I've been overly critical of him this past year in hindsight, but all these other QB's have had OL's shuffle. They've had weapons in and out. Different guys etc.

At some point, if he is what we all think, he's gotta get back to playing at that MVP level.

Mahomes led you to 3 straight Super Bowl appearances (and 2 Super Bowl wins) with JAG's at both Left Tackle and Right Tackle. Lot of questionable weapons on those 3 rosters as well. Where's the run game? Pretty weak compared to a lot of other teams. A lot of that run game stuff falls 100% on Andy Reid and Andy Heck.

Josh Allen has had Dion Dawkins protecting his blind side for 7+ years. Dawkins has been healthy that whole time (remarkable luck for Buffalo). Zero conference titles and zero Super Bowl appearances for Buffalo in this time period, which is hilarious. The Lions have a loaded roster in terms of both weapons and OL (LT/RT are both studs), strong run game, etc...and yet zero Super Bowl appearances, got knocked out very early in the Playoffs this past season...hilarious.

Ronnie Stanley has had some injury stuff in his career, but he has been pretty healthy the last couple years and sure enough Lamar Jackson's 3 best seasons (2019, 2023, 2024) have all featured Stanley protecting Lamar's blind side for 80-90% of the games. Baltimore still has zero Super Bowl appearances with Lamar despite the talent on their team (both sides of the ball), which is hilarious.

The Eagles have a completely loaded roster with void years out the wazoo, and it paid off for them this past season. Top dollar RB, two big money receivers, big money tight end, lot of big money OL guys, plenty of big money defensive guys...some nice draft picks to help put them over the top as well. Would be nice if they run into some problems in 2025.