Offensive struggles the last 2 years are personnel driven, not coaching

[RunKC]

Idk how anyone cannot see this.

Andy Reid stood at the combine in 2023 and said Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney were their top WR’s. We saw how that went.

In fact, can anyone tell me without looking what WR has had the most snaps of any Chiefs WR the last 2 seasons? Anyone? Ready for it? It’s Justin Watson. Nobody has played more snaps at that position than him the last 2 years.

Don’t even get me started on the OL. A late 3rd and late 2nd on tackles are considered projects. They are not real shots at a LT historically speaking. Shocking that they turned out to look like projects.
We have had 5 starting LT’s the last 2 years. FIVE.

The RB room had the least explosive plays of any RB room in the entire league. Only 17 10+ explosive plays all year. We even had some loser with an Alligator that plays FB take starting snaps

I get that it sucked losing Pacheco, Hollywood and Rashee. I understand and am not faulting Veach. The fact is that Kareem Hunt, Juju, DeAndre Hopkins and Travis Kelce are old. They aren’t explosive anymore. That was painfully clear tonight. It’s why Veach doesn’t like signing 30+ year old players unless he absolutely has to.

Again this isn’t a Veach bitch fest it’s just the facts. I think Veach is gonna take a hammer to this offense and hard after OL and explosive playmakers.

Thankfully he’s got an extra pick early thanks to Sneed

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

2025 will be the most important year for Mahomes thus far. He has to have a statement season to quiet the critics. If he continues to play poorly, you can't blame the offensive line this time around.

Not that I want to be in the situation of having to cast blame anywhere at the end of the season, but let's be honest here: we don't know how our LT is going to work out and we don't even know who our LG will be. I mean, color me crazy, but if neither our LT or our LG play respectably, I'm going to guess that will have a huge impact on how Mahomes plays this year, no?

[O.city]

Well, fellas, he was never going to have the same OL all the way thru.

And at some point, we're gonna get to a point of "when is any of this on him"?

I've been overly critical of him this past year in hindsight, but all these other QB's have had OL's shuffle. They've had weapons in and out. Different guys etc.

At some point, if he is what we all think, he's gotta get back to playing at that MVP level.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Not that I want to be in the situation of having to cast blame anywhere at the end of the season, but let's be honest here: we don't know how our LT is going to work out and we don't even know who our LG will be. I mean, color me crazy, but if neither our Lt or our LG play respectably, I'm going to guess that will have a huge impact on how Mahomes plays this year, no?

It is interesting that people think losing Joe Thuney will be no big deal. Really hope Kingsley can get the job done. If Caliendo is the starter, that seems like a pretty big red flag for the LG spot. I think there are obviously major questions for Josh Simmons trying to come back from the patellar tendon injury. And Jaylon Moore is still kind of unproven compared to a long-time starter.

Just gotta hope all 3 of these situations can turn out well for the Chiefs. Hope like hell the LG spot isn't a major problem. Hope like hell Jaylon Moore can live up to his big money contract. Hope like hell Josh Simmons can have a much more positive recovery than 80% of the people with a blown patellar tendon.

[JohnnyV13]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

We still got dumb bitches in here talking about not giving up on Kingsley.

Bret has had one great draft and that's it.

Ummm...I think you have to give him credit for at least 2 great drafts: 2022 AND 2021.


2021 had Nick Bolton and Creed Humphrey in the 2nd round. Noah Gray in the 5th and Trey Smith in the 6th.

Getting an above average MLB who is a playmaker due to his, plus two top 5 players at their positions in Humphrey and Trey Smith should be recognized. I also think Noah Gray could be an average starter at TE. He's not Travis Kelce or Tony G, but he's good enough to start for most teams.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by DRM08

It is interesting that people think losing Joe Thuney will be no big deal. Really hope Kingsley can get the job done. If Caliendo is the starter, that seems like a pretty big red flag for the LG spot. I think there are obviously major questions for Josh Simmons trying to come back from the patellar tendon injury. And Jaylon Moore is still kind of unproven compared to a long-time starter.

Just gotta hope all 3 of these situations can turn out well for the Chiefs. Hope like hell the LG spot isn't a major problem. Hope like hell Jaylon Moore can live up to his big money contract. Hope like hell Josh Simmons can have a much more positive recovery than 80% of the people with a blown patellar tendon.

I'm not worried about LG at all, we have plenty of reasonable options there besides Caliendo

And I'm not super concerned about LT for the same reason, we have three options there - make it four if Humphries is still in the mix - surely to God one of them can confidently secure the job

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by O.city

Well, fellas, he was never going to have the same OL all the way thru.

And at some point, we're gonna get to a point of "when is any of this on him"?

I've been overly critical of him this past year in hindsight, but all these other QB's have had OL's shuffle. They've had weapons in and out. Different guys etc.

At some point, if he is what we all think, he's gotta get back to playing at that MVP level.

Mahomes led you to 3 straight Super Bowl appearances (and 2 Super Bowl wins) with JAG's at both Left Tackle and Right Tackle. Lot of questionable weapons on those 3 rosters as well. Where's the run game? Pretty weak compared to a lot of other teams. A lot of that run game stuff falls 100% on Andy Reid and Andy Heck.

Josh Allen has had Dion Dawkins protecting his blind side for 7+ years. Dawkins has been healthy that whole time (remarkable luck for Buffalo). Zero conference titles and zero Super Bowl appearances for Buffalo in this time period, which is hilarious. The Lions have a loaded roster in terms of both weapons and OL (LT/RT are both studs), strong run game, etc...and yet zero Super Bowl appearances, got knocked out very early in the Playoffs this past season...hilarious.

Ronnie Stanley has had some injury stuff in his career, but he has been pretty healthy the last couple years and sure enough Lamar Jackson's 3 best seasons (2019, 2023, 2024) have all featured Stanley protecting Lamar's blind side for 80-90% of the games. Baltimore still has zero Super Bowl appearances with Lamar despite the talent on their team (both sides of the ball), which is hilarious.

The Eagles have a completely loaded roster with void years out the wazoo, and it paid off for them this past season. Top dollar RB, two big money receivers, big money tight end, lot of big money OL guys, plenty of big money defensive guys...some nice draft picks to help put them over the top as well. Would be nice if they run into some problems in 2025.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

I'm not worried about LG at all, we have plenty of reasonable options there besides Caliendo

And I'm not super concerned about LT for the same reason, we have three options there - make it four if Humphries is still in the mix - surely to God one of them can confidently secure the job

i hope so. But we had several options at LT last season, and that worked so well we ended up throwing our LG out there to finish the season, so . . .

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

I'm not worried about LG at all, we have plenty of reasonable options there besides Caliendo.

And I'm not super concerned about LT for the same reason, we have three options there - make it four if Humphries is still in the mix - surely to God one of them can confidently secure the job

Based on all the data people have posted here, it seems unlikely that Josh Simmons can be ready to go at a solid level in 2025. Redshirt year is probably an appropriate situation for him.

So we hope Jaylon Moore can do it. I still wonder about Jawaan Taylor. Always thought the goal was to move him to Left Tackle, but they never did it...even last year when the situation became desperate.

[RunKC]

In 2019, Tom Brady had an old, washed Edelman, washed Demarcus Thomas (RIP), Phillip Dorsett and Josh Gordon at WR, Matt LaCrosse at TE bc Gronk retired and a train wreck known as Isaiah Wynn at LT.

He was miserable, it ruined their season and he had the fewest TD passes since 2006.

1 year later when he told Bill to **** off, he went to TB and “magically” threw 40 TD’s with a stacked offense that had Jameis Winston throw 33 the year prior.

It’s almost like talent matters and it’s a team game.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Based on all the data people have posted here, it seems unlikely that Josh Simmons can be ready to go at a solid level in 2025. Redshirt year is probably an appropriate situation for him.

So we hope Jaylon Moore can do it. I still wonder about Jawaan Taylor. Always thought the goal was to move him to Left Tackle, but they never did it...even last year when the situation became desperate.

A redshirt year wouldn't bother me a damn bit, treat him as a long term investment... especially if Moore looks decent

Seems like they gave up on Taylor to LT a long time ago, or he would've been plan B for the SB not Thuney

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

A redshirt year wouldn't bother me a damn bit, treat him as a long term investment... especially if Moore looks decent

Wouldn't make a ton of sense to pay Moore $15 million to ride the bench, haha. Feels a little bit like the Kirk Cousins, Michael Penix situation with the Falcons. Thankfully not anywhere near the amount of money involved with Jaylon Moore compared to Kirk Cousins.

[xztop123]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Not that I want to be in the situation of having to cast blame anywhere at the end of the season, but let's be honest here: we don't know how our LT is going to work out and we don't even know who our LG will be. I mean, color me crazy, but if neither our LT or our LG play respectably, I'm going to guess that will have a huge impact on how Mahomes plays this year, no?

Even if caliendo plays lg and Moore or Simmons plays left tackle we are better off than last year just due to how important left tackle is over left guard

Also much more likely to find a plug and play lg than a left tackle which what we were doing last year.

Playing through the playoffs with a lg at left tackle is wildly insane

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by xztop123

Kelce and offense wasn’t that good without mahomes with alex smith. Alex smith put up similar numbers elsewhere too

Mahomes had historic college numbers with no kelce

And?

Of course Mahomes is better than Alex Smith. By alot.

He is not THEE best of all time though...unless he has elite Kelce by his side. Kelce is better at his position than Mahomes is at his. Although they are both elite.

[xztop123]

Originally Posted by BWillie

And?

Of course Mahomes is better than Alex Smith. By alot.

He is not THEE best of all time though...unless he has elite Kelce by his side. Kelce is better at his position than Mahomes is at his. Although they are both elite.

Travis Kelce gas a menial job compared to qb. He wouldn’t have ever even played in a sb if not for mahomes. It’s like saying the lady that is my receptionist is better type writer than Mahomes is qb. Who cares

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by DRM08

And with a shitty LT situation, which is the biggest issue. There's not a QB in the world that would do very well with craptastic Left Tackle play and questionable weapons.

Our offensive line was better than most teams with great QBs. Yes LT was rough at times but there was a stretch with Thuney were it was very solid...until it wasn't. Mahomes, more times than not, saw ghosts.