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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.
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Old 09-26-2013, 12:23 PM   #421
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You know what has pissed me off about Bowe in his career? He's one of the best slant WRs in the league but for some reason we only run it to him once or twice a game if that. No matter the coach, for some reason he doesn't get any slants.
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Exactly.

Especially with a guy who's supposed to be one of the most accurate passers under ten yards. Just throw him a decent ball and he's going to come away with it 9/10. He fights for balls and gets them. And once he does; he gets YAC.

It should be a match made in heaven, but I suppose Avery is our secret weapon this year?

No complaints there. I'm glad to have a somewhat viable #2; but Bowe isn't getting paid to be a ****ing decoy out there. Or at least I hope that isn't the plan. If he's drawing double teams I can see looking away. Is that really the case? Is Bowe double covered nearly every passing play? Don't think so.
Bowe is double covered nearly every passing play.

He's drawing a ton of attention out there. If Avery and Charles keep beating teams in space, they'll stop doing that.

But right now teams are focusing on taking Bowe out of the equation and making the Chiefs beat them elsewhere.
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Old 09-26-2013, 12:24 PM   #423
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You know what has pissed me off about Bowe in his career? He's one of the best slant WRs in the league but for some reason we only run it to him once or twice a game if that. No matter the coach, for some reason he doesn't get any slants.
It is odd. Very odd.
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how many FBs and TE do you think we could get in a trade for Bowe and Albert?
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Old 09-26-2013, 12:24 PM   #425
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If you take away all defensive scores, the Chiefs would be tied with the Bills for 19th in the league in points per game.

The Chiefs have scored more defensive touchdowns than everyone except for the Bears (who would still score more PPG even subtracting 21 from their total than the Chiefs are scoring WITH their defensive TDs), the Cowboys (also 2, also would still rank higher than KC by quite a lot), and the Redskins (also 2).
I don't think there is any realistic chance that anybody is going to take away the defensive scores. I don't ever recall the NFL taking points of the board in completed games.
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The most ridiculous overreaction is to Smith.

If Smith had "forced" the ball to his receivers instead of making smart decisions, this team could easily be 1-2.

But because Smith didn't force the ball to his receivers or make stupid errors, penalties or interceptions, he's played "scared".

Yet, the Chiefs are 3-0.

Dumb.
I saw Bowe break up a would-be interception. He'll go either way. If you throw it to the guy he'll more than likely catch it. If he can't, he's big enough to play DB and doesn't mind breaking up a play. And every now and then he won't bring it in.

It's not that Smith is playing scared; he just isn't looking to Bowe nearly enough. We have a #1 WR. Use him like he is.
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Bowe is double covered nearly every passing play.
pretty sure you don't need to double someone as lackadaisical as Bowe...
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Bowe is double covered nearly every passing play.

He's drawing a ton of attention out there. If Avery and Charles keep beating teams in space, they'll stop doing that.

But right now teams are focusing on taking Bowe out of the equation and making the Chiefs beat them elsewhere.
If that's the case, then I understand Smith looking away from him. I just suppose I hadn't noticed it much outside of the Eagles game.
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how many FBs and TE do you think we could get in a trade for Bowe and Albert?
Why are you just stirring shit up for no reason?
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Why are you just stirring shit up for no reason?
Um, welcome to CP.

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why do you wear diapers?
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I thought Avery was a great signing over the summer. Now if they can just ditch the McCluster shit and get Hemingway on the field.

I think there's a lot more talent on this unit than people realize. This isn't the days of Chris Thomas and Snoop Minnis. They just have to find a way to get it all together. Getting Fasano and/or Kelce back will help. Assuming that ever actually happens.
I'd love to see what Hemingway could do with McCluster's snaps. He's simply more dangerous in every facet.
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