Football Should coaches be allowed to challenge penalties? - Page 2

**TimBone** · 11-08-2013, 06:45 PM

With all of the extra flags being thrown nowadays for roughing the passer and helmet to helmet hits, should the red challenge flag also be able to be used for penalties?

The refs have been instructed to err on the side of caution, and thats fine, but frequently it's resulted in some some pretty poor judgement calls that are made in real time. These calls could be corrected if the ref had the chance to review it in slow mo.

So, leaving the challenge rules as they are now, and just adding in penalties as a challengeable item, would it be a good idea?

**Bugeater** · 11-08-2013, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by a pp roach

****s yeah.

and to all the naysayers, well i loves me some nfl so anything to keep the game on longer is a thumbs up for this guy.

All it does is increase the amount of commercial breaks.

Frazod · 11-08-2013, 08:00 PM

**** YES. There should also be a guy for each team who can point out obvious missed penalties (like Tamba getting held 300 times a game).

It will never happen, though. This is how they keep the games bent.

Molitoth · 11-08-2013, 08:00 PM

With the technology we have just watching replays at home on TV, there is no excuse why some referee in a booth can't make a quick and correct call on any questionable call and radio it down to the lead officials ear monitor.

There is no need to have 3 refs run across the field to some little tv screen and have a meeting. Waste of time. There could be much more replay if the NFL would utilize technology.

bigjosh · 11-08-2013, 08:14 PM

I like how college is reviewing personal fouls for helmet hits, but I don't like that the offense still gets 15 yards even if they overturn the foul

-King- · 11-08-2013, 08:25 PM

For regular penalties, no. But for the big ones (15+ yarders), yes. I think helmet to helmet should be automatically reviewed without the coach using a challenge.

**TimBone** · 11-08-2013, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjosh006

I like how college is reviewing personal fouls for helmet hits, but I don't like that the offense still gets 15 yards even if they overturn the foul

Wait, what? I don't watch college much at all, so I wasn't aware they were doing this. Might I ask, what is the point of reviewing and overturning the call if they still give the offense the penalty yardage?

-King- · 11-08-2013, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Flybone McTimmerson

Wait, what? I don't watch college much at all, so I wasn't aware they were doing this. Might I ask, what is the point of reviewing and overturning the call if they still give the offense the penalty yardage?

Because helmet to helmet is an automatic ejection so when they review it, it's to determine whether the player should be ejected or not, not whether the flag should be picked up.

**TimBone** · 11-08-2013, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Because helmet to helmet is an automatic ejection so when they review it, it's to determine whether the player should be ejected or not, not whether the flag should be picked up.

Ah, thanks. I agree with Josh, then. That makes absolutely no sense. "We've reviewed the play and determined the defender did not make an illegal hit, he will not be ejected but the offense will still be awarded the penalty yardage." WTF?

**DaFace** · 11-08-2013, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

Personally, I would just as soon they lose instant replay altogether.

I'd be OK with it as well. The "controlling the ball to the ground" is the most damning example of instant replay failure IMO. They can't tell WTF is a catch and what isn't anymore because the rule is so nuanced.

Just call it based on what it looked like on the field and be done with it.

scho63 · 11-08-2013, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by trndobrd

"Well, here we go again Dan. This is the 37th consecutive defensive snap that that Andy Reid has thrown the red flag challenging the non-call for holding on Tamba Hali."

"I'm telling you Greg, at some point the Chiefs are going to lose a timeout on these challenges."

That roughing the passer call on Flowers was so incredibly bad. I screamed and cursed at the TV in the bar when it was dead silent and everyone looked up stunned, especially the bartenders. I never yell and I'm there every week.

**hometeam** · 11-08-2013, 08:45 PM

TBH officiating can be improved, but not like this.

Ebolapox · 11-08-2013, 08:56 PM

I'm all for eye in the sky officiating. hell, put a sensor in the ball that, when it breaks the plane of the endzone (which has a sensor line in it), the auto TD is called (like they have in hockey kinda). **** the human element--have one or two refs on the field to catch the obvious stuff and two in the booth that watch the all-22 in real time and get the intermediate and difficult things to catch.

Deberg_1990 · 11-08-2013, 09:00 PM

No, but they should consider making the penalty for Pass Interference less severe. I hate when a deep bomb is thrown, the catch isnt made and the team gets the ball at the spot of foul. Cheap yardage.

-King- · 11-08-2013, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

I'd be OK with it as well. The "controlling the ball to the ground" is the most damning example of instant replay failure IMO. They can't tell WTF is a catch and what isn't anymore because the rule is so nuanced.

Just call it based on what it looked like on the field and be done with it.

That's not an issue with replays, its an issue with the rule.

**DaFace** · 11-08-2013, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

That's not an issue with replays, its an issue with the rule.

Well, my point is that the nuance wouldn't be as hotly-debated since the refs would just get one look at it to make a call.

11-08-2013, 06:45 PM
TimBone Mostly Ignored Join Date: Jul 2013 Casino cash: $8419985	Should coaches be allowed to challenge penalties? With all of the extra flags being thrown nowadays for roughing the passer and helmet to helmet hits, should the red challenge flag also be able to be used for penalties? The refs have been instructed to err on the side of caution, and thats fine, but frequently it's resulted in some some pretty poor judgement calls that are made in real time. These calls could be corrected if the ref had the chance to review it in slow mo. So, leaving the challenge rules as they are now, and just adding in penalties as a challengeable item, would it be a good idea?
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11-08-2013, 08:00 PM	#17
Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-626615	**** YES. There should also be a guy for each team who can point out obvious missed penalties (like Tamba getting held 300 times a game). It will never happen, though. This is how they keep the games bent.
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Molitoth Mahomes Fanboi Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $224969	With the technology we have just watching replays at home on TV, there is no excuse why some referee in a booth can't make a quick and correct call on any questionable call and radio it down to the lead officials ear monitor. There is no need to have 3 refs run across the field to some little tv screen and have a meeting. Waste of time. There could be much more replay if the NFL would utilize technology.
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bigjosh Mahomosapien Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: the great white north Casino cash: $-1975098	I like how college is reviewing personal fouls for helmet hits, but I don't like that the offense still gets 15 yards even if they overturn the foul
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-King- ▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▓▓ Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $-1264257	For regular penalties, no. But for the big ones (15+ yarders), yes. I think helmet to helmet should be automatically reviewed without the coach using a challenge. __________________ 🏁
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hometeam Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Casino cash: $1571956	TBH officiating can be improved, but not like this.
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11-08-2013, 08:56 PM	#27
Ebolapox remember, remember Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: como Casino cash: $-1630097	I'm all for eye in the sky officiating. hell, put a sensor in the ball that, when it breaks the plane of the endzone (which has a sensor line in it), the auto TD is called (like they have in hockey kinda). **** the human element--have one or two refs on the field to catch the obvious stuff and two in the booth that watch the all-22 in real time and get the intermediate and difficult things to catch.
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $264454	No, but they should consider making the penalty for Pass Interference less severe. I hate when a deep bomb is thrown, the catch isnt made and the team gets the ball at the spot of foul. Cheap yardage. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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