Chiefs Xs and Os: The Denver Pick Plays - Page 9

**petegz28** · 11-10-2013, 08:56 PM

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/nf...blockID=949223

Very interesting read...long but interesting

MagicHef · 11-13-2013, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Pushead2

Why not just knock them off the line of scrimmage & disrupt the pick itself?

Picks are typically used with bunch formations, making any physicality at the LOS difficult.

htismaqe · 11-13-2013, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

If the picks are like the ones in the gifs, this will do two things:

-Take the defender out of the play even more

-Open up the possibility of DPI, illegal contact, or defensive holding being called

It won't force any issue, because the offensive players will be acting legally.

When the offensive player initiates contact with the defender, they're not acting legally.

Calling a penalty on the defense is only going to highlight the issue more.

And a holding penalty within 10 yards is far better than giving up a 55-yard TD.

MagicHef · 11-13-2013, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

When the offensive player initiates contact with the defender, they're not acting legally.

Calling a penalty on the defense is only going to highlight the issue more.

And a holding penalty within 10 yards is far better than giving up a 55-yard TD.

True. However, there are exactly zero examples of an illegal offensive play in this thread.

Has it happened? Sure.

Have other teams committed the exact same offense? Of course, every team has.

I'm not sure what you think the Chiefs will highlight, I'm sure the league is aware that mis-timing the blocking on these plays (which have been in use for 30-odd years) can result in illegal actions by the offense.

It seems like Denver runs these plays more often than most teams, so they open themselves up to possible penalties more. I might expect them to lead the league in OPI penalties. Well, how about that. They do.

suds79 · 11-13-2013, 12:54 PM

Seems silly to me. Wish they'd just make pick plays legal. Everybody would have equal ground then.

Better than having it illegal and teams run it anyways (all while pretending not) and get all upset over it when it happens to your team.

htismaqe · 11-13-2013, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

True. However, there are exactly zero examples of an illegal offensive play in this thread.

Has it happened? Sure.

Have other teams committed the exact same offense? Of course, every team has.

I'm not sure what you think the Chiefs will highlight, I'm sure the league is aware that mis-timing the blocking on these plays (which have been in use for 30-odd years) can result in illegal actions by the offense.

It seems like Denver runs these plays more often than most teams, so they open themselves up to possible penalties more. I might expect them to lead the league in OPI penalties. Well, how about that. They do.

In the animated GIF in the OP, TWO Denver players make contact with defensive players. That's against the rules, no matter how much you want to justify it away.

And I'm not suggesting the Chiefs are solely responsible for highlighting this, they just happen to be on the schedule this week. If defensive players start running THROUGH the picks, instead of trying to avoid contact - especially if players start getting injured as a result - you can bet your ass the league is going to take a look.

Of course, the league could always just make pick plays completely legal too. At least then it's completely clear. As it stands, it's poorly enforced.

**notorious** · 11-13-2013, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Run right through them. Force the issue.

If they start calling defensive holding/PI penalties, it will bring it to a head.

Yep.

And if that doesn't work, have our DB's start blowing them up when they set a pick.

Pasta Little Brioni · 11-13-2013, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

True. However, there are exactly zero examples of an illegal offensive play in this thread.

Has it happened? Sure.

Have other teams committed the exact same offense? Of course, every team has.

I'm not sure what you think the Chiefs will highlight, I'm sure the league is aware that mis-timing the blocking on these plays (which have been in use for 30-odd years) can result in illegal actions by the offense.

It seems like Denver runs these plays more often than most teams, so they open themselves up to possible penalties more. I might expect them to lead the league in OPI penalties. Well, how about that. They do.

JFC

durtyrute · 11-13-2013, 01:46 PM

I wish they would show the games like that.

Mile High Mania · 11-13-2013, 02:01 PM

So, what's the O/U on the number of times you guys scream foul about pick plays on Sunday night?

I think we should set it at a dozen.

We should also set the O/U on OL holding to 8, I think.

vailpass · 11-13-2013, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

So, what's the O/U on the number of times you guys scream foul about pick plays on Sunday night?

I think we should set it at a dozen.

We should also set the O/U on OL holding to 8, I think.

15 & 18 is my guess.

Mr. Laz · 11-13-2013, 02:37 PM

Denver has always pushed the limited on being cheap and cheating

used to be blocking
now it's picking

it's the constant contribution to the referee's retirement plan that keeps it happening

Mile High Mania · 11-13-2013, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Denver has always pushed the limited on being cheap and cheating

used to be blocking
now it's picking

it's the constant contribution to the referee's retirement plan that keeps it happening

Again, if they're stretching the lines legally - go for it. If they are doing something illegal, then flag 'em.

**The Franchise** · 11-13-2013, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

So, what's the O/U on the number of times you guys scream foul about pick plays on Sunday night?

I think we should set it at a dozen.

We should also set the O/U on OL holding to 8, I think.

Which will be way less than the number of times your WRs jump up and scream for a flag.

Mile High Mania · 11-13-2013, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Which will be way less than the number of times your WRs jump up and scream for a flag.

I see a lot of whining for flags from a lot of teams.

Pasta Little Brioni · 11-13-2013, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

So, what's the O/U on the number of times you guys scream foul about pick plays on Sunday night?

I think we should set it at a dozen.

We should also set the O/U on OL holding to 8, I think.

Eric Decker whines more than pete

...and the plays like the one against Eggo definetely help change the outcome of games....especially when your QB can only throw ducks downfield.

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