What Does the Farmer Say?

[Fish]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Now who's being ignorant?

You have the most simple-minded view of what constitutes hard work imaginable.

You and the rest of the shit-slingers and tractor drivers that would get absolutely eaten alive if you had to answer to some of the people that the rest of the world does.

By god, if you can't bust your knuckles doing it, it ain't hard!!!

Mouthbreather.

I have a feeling that accounting would simply bore a farmer as opposed to eating him alive. But go ahead and call me names if that helps you feel better about the conversation...

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Fish

I have a feeling that accounting would simply bore a farmer as opposed to eating him alive. But go ahead and call me names if that helps you feel better about the conversation...

Says the guy who decries anybody that dares suggest that the things that make a job difficult may be more than simple physical exertion as 'ignorant'...

[Fish]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Says the guy who decries anybody that dares suggest that the things that make a job difficult may be more than simple physical exertion as 'ignorant'...

Moving the goalposts by trying to change the meaning of "Hard work" is rather silly at this point. You put forth 3 examples, but the fact remains that the farmer has more combined physical exertion, financial responsibility, and required work hours than any of the three you mentioned.

The fact that you consider them shit-slinging mouthbreaters tells me all I need to know about your understanding of what they actually do. A couple weeks as a farm hand would do wonders for your ignorance.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Fish

Moving the goalposts by trying to change the meaning of "Hard work" is rather silly at this point. You put forth 3 examples, but the fact remains that the farmer has more combined physical exertion, financial responsibility, and required work hours than any of the three you mentioned.

The fact that you consider them shit-slinging mouthbreaters tells me all I need to know about your understanding of what they actually do. A couple weeks as a farm hand would do wonders for your ignorance.

Yes, no, no.

You continue to presume that the first trumps the latter 2 and that's simply not true. Hell, the latter two claims are simply laughably inaccurate. This 40 hour work-week crap has been dead in urban life for better than a decade; everyone busts their ass.

And again, I've bucked bails (for blowfish's benefit) and while it sucks, it's mindless and generally stress-free work. It's just labor-intensive. I've dug more trenches than I dare count. I've had to bust out post-hole diggers when setting posts on any number of occasions because "it'll take too long to put the Auger on and re-set the brushhog" and other such farm logic. So again, spare me - I've served my time outdoors. It's an entirely different kind of work and it's hard in its own right, but it's certainly not harder than some poor sap working until midnight under a deadline because he's going to get blasted in 4 hours. It's more physically taxing, but it's nowhere near as mentally exhausting.

You simply disregard all forms of toil that aren't physical as basically being inconsequential. Whatever. Like I said, stress puts more 'city folk' in the ground than combines drop farmers. You can ignore it, but it's quite real.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yes, no, no.

You continue to presume that the first trumps the latter 2 and that's simply not true. Hell, the latter two claims are simply laughably inaccurate. This 40 hour work-week crap has been dead in urban life for better than a decade; everyone busts their ass.

And again, I've bucked bails (for blowfish's benefit) and while it sucks, it's mindless and generally stress-free work. It's just labor-intensive. I've dug more trenches than I dare count. I've had to bust out post-hole diggers when setting posts on any number of occasions because "it'll take too long to put the Auger on and re-set the brushhog" and other such farm logic. So again, spare me - I've served my time outdoors. It's an entirely different kind of work and it's hard in its own right, but it's certainly not harder than some poor sap working until midnight under a deadline because he's going to get blasted in 4 hours. It's more physically taxing, but it's nowhere near as mentally exhausting.

You simply disregard all forms of toil that aren't physical as basically being inconsequential. Whatever. Like I said, stress puts more 'city folk' in the ground than combines drop farmers. You can ignore it, but it's quite real.

Have you ever priced one of those air-conditioned GPS capable combines that you started your spiel with? $500,000 just for itself. That's not counting the header, trailer, spare tires($2-3k per tire), fuel, and everything needed for maintenance. That's just one implement. Do you have any idea what the maintenance costs of something like that are? Obviously you don't, or you would see how completely dumb your claim is.

Add in 4 or 5 grain trucks, trailers, storage sheds, cost and upkeep of cattle, land taxes, feed, seed, fertilizer, tools, and agricultural insurance to cover your millions of dollars of assets.

And farmers don't have regular pay periods either. Which requires considerable financial responsibility. You greatly underestimate the effort needed to manage finances in an ag business environment.

You've reduced your argument to mental exhaustion. Well that could be argued as well, but why bother at this point. You're just wrong. Farming is hard ****ing work and will age a man hard, which is why I left the farm and got a job in the city.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Fish

Have you ever priced one of those air-conditioned GPS capable combines that you started your spiel with? $500,000 just for itself. That's not counting the header, trailer, spare tires($2-3k per tire), fuel, and everything needed for maintenance. That's just one implement. Do you have any idea what the maintenance costs of something like that are? Obviously you don't, or you would see how completely dumb your claim is.

Add in 4 or 5 grain trucks, trailers, storage sheds, cost and upkeep of cattle, land taxes, feed, seed, fertilizer, tools, and agricultural insurance to cover your millions of dollars of assets.

And farmers don't have regular pay periods either. Which requires considerable financial responsibility. You greatly underestimate the effort needed to manage finances in an ag business environment.

You've reduced your argument to mental exhaustion. Well that could be argued as well, but why bother at this point. You're just wrong. Farming is hard ****ing work and will age a man hard, which is why I left the farm and got a job in the city.

I've said 100 times over that farming is hard.

But so are a shitload of other jobs. And farmers that act like every day is 18 hours of swinging axes and digging holes by hand are full of shit. They also have days at the sale barn where they're just chatting all day before they go making bids. Days where they just trek down to the co-op and yack about so and so's new rig for an hour before some kid throws a thousand pounds of seed in their truck.

Their job isn't unlike most others; they're just the only ones that act like nobody else works hard for their money.

My problem isn't their workload, it's their bullshit attitude that nobody else has one.

And as for the expenses, again, you're trying to equate every single farmer with a guy running a solo shop on a shoestring budget; that doesn't speak to the guys that are just contract farmers for someone else. If you want to make a fair comparison, you have to compare your guy that's in charge of everything to any other small-business owner that carries the same responsibility. Those guys deal with the same shit the farmer does.

Farmers sit around all the time and belittle everyone that doesn't farm and it's simply unwarranted. They carry burdens and responsibilities that are no greater than most other similarly situated workers in this country.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I've said 100 times over that farming is hard.

But so are a shitload of other jobs. And farmers that act like every day is 18 hours of swinging axes and digging holes by hand are full of shit. They also have days at the sale barn where they're just chatting all day before they go making bids. Days where they just trek down to the co-op and yack about so and so's new rig for an hour before some kid throws a thousand pounds of seed in their truck.

Their job isn't unlike most others; they're just the only ones that act like nobody else works hard for their money.

My problem isn't their workload, it's their bullshit attitude that nobody else has one.

And as for the expenses, again, you're trying to equate every single farmer with a guy running a solo shop on a shoestring budget; that doesn't speak to the guys that are just contract farmers for someone else. If you want to make a fair comparison, you have to compare your guy that's in charge of everything to any other small-business owner that carries the same responsibility. Those guys deal with the same shit the farmer does.

Farmers sit around all the time and belittle everyone that doesn't farm and it's simply unwarranted. They carry burdens and responsibilities that are no greater than most other similarly situated workers in this country.

Farmers sit around and belittle everyone that doesn't farm?