Famous Jameis...Rapist?

[nychief]

Don't know if you're following the Jameis Winston rape coverup - but seems like a pretty dirty deal happening down in Tampa.

New statement from the victim's family...
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2013/PDFs/winston.pdf

[Carlota69]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

You can always spot the date rapists in threads like this.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

That isn't what I am saying. I'm saying that all rape allegations should be taken with the utmost seriousness, until proven otherwise.

You're changing your story, and you know it. Nobody said rape allegations shouldn't be taken seriously, so don't hide behind that strawman.

Either Winston is a rapist, or she is falsely accusing him. You flat out said that women lying in this situation are so rare as to be irrelevant. If that's the case, you must believe that Winston is guilty and that his trial should be merely a formality.

I don't agree, and I doubt the Duke lacrosse players agree.

[Great Expectations]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Yeah...the number one QB in the country...the guy who picked Florida State over every major program in the country...was a nobody? JFC

OU pulled their offer to him fairly early in the process. They didn't say character concerns, but usually it is either that or grades. Texas was also very high on him and then passed pretty quickly.

He grew up an OU fan and made statements to that effect as a Junior when asked what schools he liked.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Great Expectations

OU pulled their offer to him fairly early in the process. They didn't say character concerns, but usually it is either that or grades. Texas was also very high on him and then passed pretty quickly.

He grew up an OU fan and made statements to that effect as a Junior when asked what schools he liked.

Do you have a link to anything showing that they pulled his offer? Preferably something from before he committed to FSU...

[Great Expectations]

Many thought it was unbelievable that Texas didn't know about his interest.

This was months after OU stopped recruiting him. I and other OU fans didn't understand why they stopped recruiting him completely and focused solely on Trevor Knight.

Jameis Winston wanted to go to Texas but was never offered: “Dang, I’m good enough for Alabama & Auburn but not good enough for Texas”

— Brett McMurphy (@McMurphyESPN) September 3, 2013



Jameis Winston: “I’m an OU fan but I always wanted to go to Texas. If I’d gotten offer from Texas I’d be going to Texas right now”

— Brett McMurphy (@McMurphyESPN) September 3, 2013

[Saul Good]

I've heard the Texas part. I haven't heard that Oklahoma pulled their offer.

[Great Expectations]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I've heard the Texas part. I haven't heard that Oklahoma pulled their offer.

OU was going to take one QB. It looked like it would be Gunner Kiel with Jameis Winston as a slight possibility during the spring. They completely backed off Jameis and focused hard on Knight who was an aTm verbal.

Knight committed in July before their Senior year.

I don't know why OU backed off or why Texas didn't offer.

[Saul Good]

I don't see anything stating that Oklahoma pulled his offer.

[Simply Red]

WHERE DEM WHITE GURLS AT...?!?!?!!?!

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by rhinson1380

Have y'all heard the new FSU war chant?

Noooooo ooooooo means nooooooo. Noooooo means nooooo oooooooo.

I lol'd.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by Great Expectations

or why Texas didn't offer.

Like OU- it wasn't character related.

- Pro baseball concerns... though he only ended up a 15th rounder. Not really much of an impact

- They had a long-standing verbal commitment from Connor Brewer, who was a highly regarded recruit who didn't work out. He was also a December grad and enrolled early

- They put all of their attention into c o 2013 QB Tyrone Swoopes who committed in February of his Junior year. Swoopes was considered a 5-star by most sites until a poor senior year.

[Saul Good]

So...there are articles written before he committed to Florida State saying Oklahoma pulled the offer?

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

You're changing your story, and you know it. Nobody said rape allegations shouldn't be taken seriously, so don't hide behind that strawman.

Either Winston is a rapist, or she is falsely accusing him. You flat out said that women lying in this situation are so rare as to be irrelevant. If that's the case, you must believe that Winston is guilty and that his trial should be merely a formality.

I don't agree, and I doubt the Duke lacrosse players agree.

"So rare as to be effectively irrelevant" to the consideration of the credibility or all rape cases. That's what I said. Remember when you posted this:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Women who lie about being raped don't cause the credibility of all rape allegations to come into question?

?

I was responding directly to that. I don't question the credibility of any rape accusation. It's a very small number of false accusations that happen. Gigantically larger is the amount of legitimate rapes, and also larger is the number of rapes that go unreported for a variety of reasons owing to rape culture. I mean, read a Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture That's not a phrase I'm making up. That's some real shit.

If I were to question the credibility of all rape allegations because of the (let's be generous and say 5%) few false allegations that get made then I'd be contributing to the victim-blaming, she-was-asking-for-it, her-fault-for-drinking mentality that basically teaches boys in this country that rape is OK.

So I have no real statistical reason to disbelieve this woman's allegations. And I have good moral reason not to disbelieve her either. If Winston is innocent then I hope the facts proving him so will come to light.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

So...there are articles written before he committed to Florida State saying Oklahoma pulled the offer?

There's no way they pulled his offer. It's more than likely that the interest wasn't reciprocated and they moved their attention elsewhere. Like all teams do. If by some miracle he would have changed his mind and reached out to Stoops, he'd be a sooner.

In recruiting, 98% of the time it has nothing to do with what teams the player watched growing up. These aren't aren't die-hard fans (hence, liking OU, but interest in playing for Texas).

[Great Expectations]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I don't see anything stating that Oklahoma pulled his offer.

There is no reason for anybody to state that. OU stopped recruiting him focusing on Kiel and Knight. In early June OU didn't pull their offer to Kiel, but stopped recruiting him and then landed Knight. A month or so later Kiel signs with Indiana over ND and MU.