Famous Jameis...Rapist?

[nychief]

Don't know if you're following the Jameis Winston rape coverup - but seems like a pretty dirty deal happening down in Tampa.

New statement from the victim's family...
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2013/PDFs/winston.pdf

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

1. Weight is a factor due to volume, we have covered this.
2. Food also effects absorption rate which = BAC% speed, not level. IN other words you get to .1% faster but its still .1%.
3. How fast consumed equals BAC% see the 2 above.
4. No other drugs were found in her system.

The legal level for intoxication is .08% in most states. You think that's .02% from blackout level in some people? Really?

Legal level for intoxication was .11% for most states up until about 10 -15 years ago. Thats above blackout level according to you.

No the reality is .1% is impaired. Not non functioning.

I didn't say what a definitive blackout level is; in-fact no-one did, but the prosecuting attorney did say that levels the accuser was at are consistent with brownouts and memory gaps similar to what she displayed when discussing the incident.

Furthermore, .10 for everyone does not affect everyone the same. Alcohol does not affect people equally. If it did, everyone who hit .40 would die. Instead, numerous people can survive, and several can die of acute alcohol poisoning at a far lower rate.

Please, though, I'm sure you can educate him and us all more on what alcohol does to memory, and the body, given that you are the obvious expert. And since you read up on all of this, why can't you differentiate brownout from blackout?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I didn't say what a definitive blackout level is; in-fact no-one did, but the prosecuting attorney did say that levels the accuser was at are consistent with brownouts and memory gaps similar to what she displayed when discussing the incident.

Furthermore, .10 for everyone does not affect everyone the same. Alcohol does not affect people equally. If it did, everyone who hit .40 would die. Instead, numerous people can survive, and several can die of acute alcohol poisoning at a far lower rate.

Please, though, I'm sure you can educate him and us all more on what alcohol does to memory, and the body, given that you are the obvious expert. And since you read up on all of this, why can't you differentiate brownout from blackout?

We aren't talking extreme fringe examples here Hamas.

Your opinion is it was mishandled. Mine opinion is I have no idea what happened looking at what is coming out of this story.

I also don't know too many girls who go to a bar and do a ton of shots who don't do this regularly and therefore it would be odd they cant handle being at .1% BAC.

I also think that the level of scrutiny the Tallahassee PD was facing when this blew up is very high so they were going to have to err on the side of caution not football fandom.

Also the fact there were "several" people in the room when the incident occurred yet nobody is willing to spill the beans on an assault seems odd to me.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

None of that has anything to do with what alcohol does to the body and your earlier claim that .1 is .1 regardless. You're deflecting.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

We aren't talking extreme fringe examples here Hamas.

Your opinion is it was mishandled. Mine opinion is I have no idea what happened looking at what is coming out of this story.

I also don't know too many girls who go to a bar and do a ton of shots who don't do this regularly and therefore it would be odd they cant handle being at .1% BAC.

I also think that the level of scrutiny the Tallahassee PD was facing when this blew up is very high so they were going to have to err on the side of caution not football fandom.

Also the fact there were "several" people in the room when the incident occurred yet nobody is willing to spill the beans on an assault seems odd to me.

Just to point something out here. If she was .1% at the time of the incident, that's not a guarantee that .1% was her highest mark of the night, and it doesn't mean that she couldn't have still been suffering from effects of a higher number earlier on.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

None of that has anything to do with what alcohol does to the body and your earlier claim that .1 is .1 regardless. You're deflecting.

Not true. I was making the point this girl was a party girl which doesn't help your claim she cant handle being at .1%.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Just to point something out here. If she was .1% at the time of the incident, that's not a guarantee that .1% was her highest mark of the night, and it doesn't mean that she couldn't have still been suffering from effects of a higher number earlier on.

The DA determined her BAC at the time of the incident could have been as high as .1%. It is what it is.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Just to point something out here. If she was .1% at the time of the incident, that's not a guarantee that .1% was her highest mark of the night, and it doesn't mean that she couldn't have still been suffering from effects of a higher number earlier on.

That's also true. I believe you process .01% about every 45 minutes-hour, though, so she likely was never in the .2% range.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

The DA determined her BAC at the time of the incident could have been as high as .1%.

I got that part. You seem to have missed what I posted in response to her possibly being .1% at the time. She could originally have been higher.

[Bambi]

It takes a ton of courage and will to come to authorities with a rape charge.

The demeanor of the press conference is sickening. Nothing about this feels right. Hate to cast judgement on Florida/CFB but as the female reporter in the press conference says…"come on"

[Marcellus]

I am saying all this after initially hearing the story and thinking he was probably guilty.

Its just not adding up at this point.

Too many people involved, in the room to not be able get someone to admit a crime if there was one.

Too much scrutiny on how it was handled initially to just half ass it the second time.

[Gravedigger]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You responded to it in this post just a few hours ago:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=165

It mentions the .04 at the time of the kit and the .10 at the time of the incident.

I know, when I read the report initially was on USA Today this morning when I woke up, I got on here and posted my thoughts about what I had read but I didn't put the two together thinking that it was just .04 when she was tested and when she was raped. I missed the part about the .10 assumption, it was my bad and hence why I thought .04 was pretty small for a person to have blackouts. Please forgive me for my transgressions, for I know not what the **** I said.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's also true. I believe you process .01% about every 45 minutes-hour, though, so she likely was never in the .2% range.

No you process 1oz of pure alcohol per hour. Or 1 typical drink.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I find it hard to have much credibility in the police and prosecuting attorneys given the manner in which they've handled themselves throughout the entire debacle.

yep

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Not true. I was making the point this girl was a party girl which doesn't help your claim she cant handle being at .1%.

People can still drink all the time and go from 0-crocked pretty quickly. Again, you seem to be incapable of understanding that levels of alcohol in the blood affect people differently.

You know that football team you root for? The namesake of this message board? How did those people metabolize alcohol on average?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

No you process 1oz of pure alcohol per hour. Or 1 typical drink.

Subtract .01% for each 40 minutes of drinking.

Where did that come from? Oh, right, the giant ****ing chart.