Why all the man love for Bray?

[Earthling]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Again... If he is our best option in a couple of years we are ****ed.

Too soon to tell actually.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by Earthling

Too soon to tell actually.

Actually it isn't. He makes Bowe look like a member of Mensa.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Again... If he is our best option in a couple of years we are ****ed.

Originally Posted by penguinz

Actually it isn't. He makes Bowe look like a member of Mensa.

So it's ok for you to come to a conclusion before he's played in the NFL but everyone else needs to shut the **** up?

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

So it's ok for you to come to a conclusion before he's played in the NFL but everyone else needs to shut the **** up?

What are the odds of an undrafted free agent becoming the saviour at QB?. Especially one that is known to make bad decisions.

[ActiveShooter]

Originally Posted by penguinz

What are the odds of an undrafted free agent becoming the saviour at QB?. Especially one that is known to make bad decisions.

Brady was a 6th round pick and JaMarcus Russell, Akili Smith, Tim Couch, David Klinger, Matt Leinert, and Ryan Leaf were all 1st rounders.
You put way way way too much stock in pro scouts' opinions.
Bray was signed at the age of 21 after 3 college seasons with horrid coaching. He turns 22 on Friday. He now has a fiance. There's a strong possibility that he could have matured a bit.
He has an elite arm and ability to deliver a good ball with just the arm. Contrast to David Carr who some want that can't deliver a pass at all with pressure around him(see Bowl game) . If he can't step into his throw, he's done. But his footwork is better. Lol

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by ActiveShooter

Brady was a 6th round pick and JaMarcus Russell, Akili Smith, Tim Couch, David Klinger, Matt Leinert, and Ryan Leaf were all 1st rounders.
You put way way way too much stock in pro scouts' opinions.
Bray was signed at the age of 21 after 3 college seasons with horrid coaching. He turns 22 on Friday. He now has a fiance. There's a strong possibility that he could have matured a bit.
He has an elite arm and ability to deliver a good ball with just the arm. Contrast to David Carr who some want that can't deliver a pass at all with pressure around him(see Bowl game) . If he can't step into his throw, he's done. But his footwork is better. Lol

You realize your argument is based on the BIGGEST lightning strike in the history of the NFL, right?

And that even there, Brady's stock was 1) Held back by his college career/coaching, where he never was given the full-time reins to the job; 2) Still higher than Bray's, as Bray was not drafted by anyone.

If maturity was Bray's only issue, he would have been drafted. It's the combination of warts that makes him such an extreme long-shot. He has a lot.

[ActiveShooter]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

You realize your argument is based on the BIGGEST lightning strike in the history of the NFL, right?

And that even there, Brady's stock was 1) Held back by his college career/coaching, where he never was given the full-time reins to the job; 2) Still higher than Bray's, as Bray was not drafted by anyone.

If maturity was Bray's only issue, he would have been drafted. It's the combination of warts that makes him such an extreme long-shot. He has a lot.

How about Kurt Warner or Warren Moon then? Boom

[ActiveShooter]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

You realize your argument is based on the BIGGEST lightning strike in the history of the NFL, right?

And that even there, Brady's stock was 1) Held back by his college career/coaching, where he never was given the full-time reins to the job; 2) Still higher than Bray's, as Bray was not drafted by anyone.

If maturity was Bray's only issue, he would have been drafted. It's the combination of warts that makes him such an extreme long-shot. He has a lot.

Do you realize Bray was held back by inferior coaching? Bray succeeded despite a horrible coaching staff. His phone started ringing off the hook the second the draft was over. Miami and Kc both were bidding for him. He was projected as a 2nd or 3rd round pick by most all draft "experts". Bray was knocked hard for coming out after his true junior year and Gruden gave him a hard time about it in a horrible interview (Bray's Fault) that destroyed his stock. With Tennessee running the read option under new coach Butch Jones and having a considerable lack of talent for an SEC team, his decision to bail was understandable. However at draft time it was still being viewed as a mistake.