Is the shine on Andy Reid already tarnished a bit?

[Rexx]

I am still reeling from one of the worst Chief losses in history and I've seen most of them as a fan of 30 years. I like to think I've got pretty good intuition and here is my worry...

It was nice to see Andy Reid turn the ship around so quickly. I don't think any of us envisioned such a quick turnaround, restoring hope to the fan base and putting people in the seats. That being said, I'm concerned that Reid could likely loose control of this ship pretty quickly if things don't progress from this point.

1. Reid obviously has little understanding of clock management. Yes, we heard that from Philly fans...but witnessing it first hand takes any of the doubt away. Up 28, he needs to attempt to burn some clock to limit the Indy possessions. Many issues throughout the season...there has to be someone who can help him with this.

2. He is extremely loyal to his players and assistant coaches. Because of that, we will likely not see any changes to the staff as he has already mentioned. Sorry Reid, but after that kind of meltdown and getting trashed by national media, a change to the defensive coordinator position should be made. Being stuck with Sutton for the next several years is not going to take us to the next level. As mentioned numerous times on this forum, Sutton is unwilling to make changes or bring pressure when needed...he coaches scared! And it appears Reid will allow this to continue as he had 8 weeks to help change it and did not. NOT A GOOD SIGN AT ALL.

3. Reid has always been known as a "players" coach. He doesn't lay blame and players seems to like that. However, I question his ability to motivate his players especially on the defensive side of the ball. You never see any of the coaching staff show much emotion nor the players. Andy sits back staring at his play calling chart and that's about it. Maybe he has a few of the Marty speeches down, but I don't see it on the field. I also know this was a concern in Philly as he didn't always hold his players accountable when looking at results and effort aka Kendrick Lewis.

4. His general lack of commitment to the run. I'm all for passing as it's a passing league. However, when 1st and goal on the 4 yard line...run the damn ball. GEEZ.

I hope I'm wrong, but these issues are pretty alarming and makes me question if Reid is the long term answer even though he won 11 games this year. Things are going to get tougher...he needs to improve or he will sink eventually. My 2 cents.....

I'm starting to think we should have looked at a young, up and coming coach instead of a retread with proven faults. Some may say this is an overreaction coming one day after a playoff loss...but these things have been apparent for the last 8 games. Anyone else feel this way?

[rabblerouser]

shit yes. he is what he is, and he's Dick Schottenheimer part II.

we'll never win a Super Bowl with him.

we'll prolly never win a Super Bowl anyway.

I'm gonna go outside and lay in the snow.

[NWTF]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

shit yes. he is what he is, and he's Dick Schottenheimer part II.

we'll never win a Super Bowl with him.

we'll prolly never win a Super Bowl anyway.

I'm gonna go outside and lay in the snow.

Probably.

Andy is a good coach but when the heat is turned up ala Playoffs, hes not at his best at playcalling and such.

Like Dungy said, Andy called the entire 2nd half like the score was 0-0. A bit more clock bleeding and the Colts just dont have enough possessions to make that comeback.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

shit yes. he is what he is, and he's Dick Schottenheimer part II.

we'll never win a Super Bowl with him.

we'll prolly never win a Super Bowl anyway.

I'm gonna go outside and lay in the snow.

/endthread

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

I'm gonna go outside and lay in the snow.

I was about to suggest you kill yourself, so good show.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

I was about to suggest you kill yourself, so good show.

I was on that trip about 5:50PM last night - I thought about slitting my wrists and laying in the bathtub, but I chose to finish watching the Chiefs instead.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

shit yes. he is what he is, and he's Dick Schottenheimer part II.

we'll never win a Super Bowl with him.

we'll prolly never win a Super Bowl anyway.

I'm gonna go outside and lay in the snow.

I've read that you don't need a better coach, you just need a better plot line.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by npayne1978

Be thankful you didn't watch, it was as painful as the loss. We're pretty much jokes to the rest of the NFL fans across the nation. LOTS of I told you so's.

I believe it.

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

I've read that you don't need a better coach, you just need a better plot line.

nah, we just need to draft an anointed 'future of the position' at qb - or someone with the surname of Manning.

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

I've read that you don't need a better coach, you just need a better plot line.

The team that draft's Manziel will be on the NFL's favorite list.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

The Chiefs needed instant success after 2012. Hunt did what he had to.

[Marcellus]

No its year 1.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

No its year 1.

I agree. Andy has put his team in the playoffs 10 of 15 years. He is on year one and probably won't have his team assembled until year three. He will give us a chance each year.

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

No its year 1.

It is not the 80s or 90s anymore, most of the league does not need multiple year rebuilding. You should be able to compete year in year out, tops in 2 years. Unless you are one of those franchises like the Browns or the Chiefs.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Valiant

It is not the 80s or 90s anymore, most of the league does not need multiple year rebuilding. You should be able to compete year in year out, tops in 2 years. Unless you are one of those franchises like the Browns or the Chiefs.

hard, hard fact of life.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Rexx

I am still reeling from one of the worst Chief losses in history and I've seen most of them as a fan of 30 years. I like to think I've got pretty good intuition and here is my worry...

It was nice to see Andy Reid turn the ship around so quickly. I don't think any of us envisioned such a quick turnaround, restoring hope to the fan base and putting people in the seats. That being said, I'm concerned that Reid could likely loose control of this ship pretty quickly if things don't progress from this point.

1. Reid obviously has little understanding of clock management. Yes, we heard that from Philly fans...but witnessing it first hand takes any of the doubt away. Up 28, he needs to attempt to burn some clock to limit the Indy possessions. Many issues throughout the season...there has to be someone who can help him with this.

2. He is extremely loyal to his players and assistant coaches. Because of that, we will likely not see any changes to the staff as he has already mentioned. Sorry Reid, but after that kind of meltdown and getting trashed by national media, a change to the defensive coordinator position should be made. Being stuck with Sutton for the next several years is not going to take us to the next level. As mentioned numerous times on this forum, Sutton is unwilling to make changes or bring pressure when needed...he coaches scared! And it appears Reid will allow this to continue as he had 8 weeks to help change it and did not. NOT A GOOD SIGN AT ALL.

3. Reid has always been known as a "players" coach. He doesn't lay blame and players seems to like that. However, I question his ability to motivate his players especially on the defensive side of the ball. You never see any of the coaching staff show much emotion nor the players. Andy sits back staring at his play calling chart and that's about it. Maybe he has a few of the Marty speeches down, but I don't see it on the field. I also know this was a concern in Philly as he didn't always hold his players accountable when looking at results and effort aka Kendrick Lewis.

4. His general lack of commitment to the run. I'm all for passing as it's a passing league. However, when 1st and goal on the 4 yard line...run the damn ball. GEEZ.

I hope I'm wrong, but these issues are pretty alarming and makes me question if Reid is the long term answer even though he won 11 games this year. Things are going to get tougher...he needs to improve or he will sink eventually. My 2 cents.....

I'm starting to think we should have looked at a young, up and coming coach instead of a retread with proven faults. Some may say this is an overreaction coming one day after a playoff loss...but these things have been apparent for the last 8 games. Anyone else feel this way?

Right on point 1 and 2. Not right on point 3 and 4. Andy Reid is a player's coach, but not the same way Norv or Romeo are. He is exceptional at motivating players and has a history of having them well prepared to play. There are two youtube videos of him coaching the sideline. Will definitely change your perception of Reid.

He is definitely an exceptional coach. But yes, point 1 and 2 could easily do him in, and nobody should be surprised that these things are happening. The Chiefs have to not only be Super Bowl good, they have to also be good enough to overcome Reid's mistakes in big situations.