Chiefs Is the shine on Andy Reid already tarnished a bit? - Page 8

Rexx · 01-05-2014, 03:38 PM

I am still reeling from one of the worst Chief losses in history and I've seen most of them as a fan of 30 years. I like to think I've got pretty good intuition and here is my worry...

It was nice to see Andy Reid turn the ship around so quickly. I don't think any of us envisioned such a quick turnaround, restoring hope to the fan base and putting people in the seats. That being said, I'm concerned that Reid could likely loose control of this ship pretty quickly if things don't progress from this point.

1. Reid obviously has little understanding of clock management. Yes, we heard that from Philly fans...but witnessing it first hand takes any of the doubt away. Up 28, he needs to attempt to burn some clock to limit the Indy possessions. Many issues throughout the season...there has to be someone who can help him with this.

2. He is extremely loyal to his players and assistant coaches. Because of that, we will likely not see any changes to the staff as he has already mentioned. Sorry Reid, but after that kind of meltdown and getting trashed by national media, a change to the defensive coordinator position should be made. Being stuck with Sutton for the next several years is not going to take us to the next level. As mentioned numerous times on this forum, Sutton is unwilling to make changes or bring pressure when needed...he coaches scared! And it appears Reid will allow this to continue as he had 8 weeks to help change it and did not. NOT A GOOD SIGN AT ALL.

3. Reid has always been known as a "players" coach. He doesn't lay blame and players seems to like that. However, I question his ability to motivate his players especially on the defensive side of the ball. You never see any of the coaching staff show much emotion nor the players. Andy sits back staring at his play calling chart and that's about it. Maybe he has a few of the Marty speeches down, but I don't see it on the field. I also know this was a concern in Philly as he didn't always hold his players accountable when looking at results and effort aka Kendrick Lewis.

4. His general lack of commitment to the run. I'm all for passing as it's a passing league. However, when 1st and goal on the 4 yard line...run the damn ball. GEEZ.

I hope I'm wrong, but these issues are pretty alarming and makes me question if Reid is the long term answer even though he won 11 games this year. Things are going to get tougher...he needs to improve or he will sink eventually. My 2 cents.....

I'm starting to think we should have looked at a young, up and coming coach instead of a retread with proven faults. Some may say this is an overreaction coming one day after a playoff loss...but these things have been apparent for the last 8 games. Anyone else feel this way?

Lex Luthor · 01-05-2014, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by npayne1978

Right on, thanks for the advice. I know I'm new and I'm trying not to step on toes.

Believe me, everybody on this site has made stupid posts from time to time. I know I've made my share.

Just forget about it, and everybody else will too.

Big Poppa Payne · 01-05-2014, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

Believe me, everybody on this site has made stupid posts from time to time. I know I've made my share.

Just forget about it, and everybody else will too.

Sounds good. Thanks!

**Mav** · 01-05-2014, 11:51 PM

I have ignored this thread all day.

I don't understand it.

he watches his premiere player go down. He watches his qb play the game of his life, and he watches his players fall like flies all game.

he was handcuffed with the talent he had on offense to begin with, then you lose not only Charles, but avery, then Knile.

The shine?

I think its shining brighter than ever.

Wallcrawler · 01-06-2014, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I have ignored this thread all day.

I don't understand it.

he watches his premiere player go down. He watches his qb play the game of his life, and he watches his players fall like flies all game.

he was handcuffed with the talent he had on offense to begin with, then you lose not only Charles, but avery, then Knile.

The shine?

I think its shining brighter than ever.

This.

Take a trip back in your mind. I know its tough to relive that game, but go back to the 6th play of the opening drive with Jamaal Charles lying motionless on the turf.

In that moment, did you think that KC had a snowball's chance in hell of winning that game? Did you think that Alex Smith would be more than up to the task of carrying this football team on his back with wildly inconsistent receivers and here today, gone tomorrow pass protection, all with the dreaded GAME MANAGER label slapped firmly across his chest?

I sure didn't.

While the loss was excruciatingly painful, it did open my eyes to one undeniable fact.

Alex Smith can carry this team with his arm. It was the one thing I always questioned about him. Not only did he carry the team with his arm, but he did it without Jamaal even being in the game. The guy who accounted for 1/3 of the KC Chiefs offensive production was out and Smith still orchestrated a 44 point offensive production.

Andy Reid said the entire time that Alex Smith was his guy. He didn't want anyone else, and they never even considered drafting a QB with the first overall pick.

I have my issues with Reid in certain situations, but as far as Im concerned he's done a helluva job with the 2-14 abortion that he took over. Quarterback was our most glaring need and Andy's handpicked guy ****ing delivered. He did. I know we lost the game but Alex Smith showed up to play and the D just left him hanging.

Because of Andy Reid, Im not praying to the football gods for a quarterback this offseason.

Generally the first season is the rough one when a new staff comes in. Im looking forward to what he can do with these guys in year two.

**Rausch** · 01-06-2014, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

This.

Take a trip back in your mind. I know its tough to relive that game, but go back to the 6th play of the opening drive with Jamaal Charles lying motionless on the turf.

In that moment, did you think that KC had a snowball's chance in hell of winning that game?

Nope. That exact moment I thought for sure we'd get blown completely the **** out.

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Did you think that Alex Smith would be more than up to the task of carrying this football team on his back with wildly inconsistent receivers and here today, gone tomorrow pass protection, all with the dreaded GAME MANAGER label slapped firmly across his chest?

I sure didn't.

This is exactly what I was 100% sure he could never do.

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

While the loss was excruciatingly painful, it did open my eyes to one undeniable fact.

Alex Smith can carry this team with his arm. It was the one thing I always questioned about him. Not only did he carry the team with his arm, but he did it without Jamaal even being in the game. The guy who accounted for 1/3 of the KC Chiefs offensive production was out and Smith still orchestrated a 44 point offensive production.

Andy Reid said the entire time that Alex Smith was his guy. He didn't want anyone else, and they never even considered drafting a QB with the first overall pick.

I have my issues with Reid in certain situations, but as far as Im concerned he's done a helluva job with the 2-14 abortion that he took over. Quarterback was our most glaring need and Andy's handpicked guy ****ing delivered. He did. I know we lost the game but Alex Smith showed up to play and the D just left him hanging.

Because of Andy Reid, Im not praying to the football gods for a quarterback this offseason.

Generally the first season is the rough one when a new staff comes in. Im looking forward to what he can do with these guys in year two.

This.

I feel very much like I did with DV and TrINT before he became Green...

**MahiMike** · 01-06-2014, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I can not disagree with the first point anymore.
Andy Reid tried to utilize the run game t burn some clock, and the ground game produced about 2 yards per carry.

With that result, Reid turned to the short passing game.

But where he failed, as far as I'm concerned, is that he went conservative to protect the lead with 12 or 13 minutes left in the the 3rd quarter.

I don't care how much you are up, that's far too early to go into lead protection mode.

Funny, fescoe reams him for passing too much when all he has left is Gray. Then others ream him for being too conservative. I'm gonna ream him for not firing Sutton. But in-game issues were none IMO.

**bevischief** · 01-06-2014, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I can not disagree with the first point anymore.
Andy Reid tried to utilize the run game t burn some clock, and the ground game produced about 2 yards per carry.

With that result, Reid turned to the short passing game.

But where he failed, as far as I'm concerned, is that he went conservative to protect the lead with 12 or 13 minutes left in the the 3rd quarter.

I don't care how much you are up, that's far too early to go into lead protection mode.

This.

**MahiMike** · 01-06-2014, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz

I don't think Bob knows how to be anything but Greg Part-II. The man isn't going to change at 62, so Andy would need to silently replace him (let him stand around but mute his Mic and let some other ghost coach call the plays) if he wants to see any creativity out of the skill-challenged goons.

This is a great point. All the old coordinators got famous on what worked 20 yrs ago. The league changes every year. How guys like Romeo and Sutton keep getting jobs is insane.

**MahiMike** · 01-06-2014, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Or, you know, maybe they needed to not give up 35 points in a half of football.

How youre pinning this loss on the offense is quite beyond me. As for you playing football, I don't know why that is even said. Is that supposed to impress anyone here?

It doesn't.

Yep. This game turned out just like the home game vs chargers. This isn't tennis. At some point your defense must make a stop. 38, 44, etc. We could score 50 and lose w/the dreads boys.

RunKC · 01-06-2014, 09:06 AM

28 passes and only 10 runs in the 2nd half is inexcusable.

I'm sorry but wtf Reid? We were warned about this. I don't give a flying **** if we were down to Cyrus Gray. Run the ball. Burn the clock. Don't throw incompletions and stop the clock.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 01-06-2014, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

28 passes and only 10 runs in the 2nd half is inexcusable.

I'm sorry but wtf Reid? We were warned about this. I don't give a flying **** if we were down to Cyrus Gray. Run the ball. Burn the clock. Don't throw incompletions and stop the clock.

Did you even watch the game? We Avg 2 ypc in 2nd half.

htismaqe · 01-06-2014, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Did you even watch the game? We Avg 2 ypc in 2nd half.

OK, just assume that excuse is acceptable.

What's the excuse for snapping the ball with 14-15 seconds left on the play clock every play then?

**Rausch** · 01-06-2014, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

OK, just assume that excuse is acceptable.

What's the excuse for snapping the ball with 14-15 seconds left on the play clock every play then?

I didn't notice that but if true that's ****ing stupid.

And honestly, on Alex more than Andy...

ShowtimeSBMVP · 01-06-2014, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

OK, just assume that excuse is acceptable.

What's the excuse for snapping the ball with 14-15 seconds left on the play clock every play then?

They snap it with 3 or 5 seconds most plays.

**Predarat** · 01-06-2014, 09:17 AM

It is tarnished a bit, an epic choke job like that is just brutal. However it is very recoverable.

01-05-2014, 03:38 PM
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