Chiefs Reworking deals? - Page 2

Direckshun · 02-14-2014, 03:18 PM

So I'm screwing around with the salary cap calculator. I can get this team in a decent-enough position to stay beneathe the cap by about $3,000,000 if I:

(a.) Extend Alex Smith by about $15m/year.
(b.) Re-sign Schwartz to about $2.5m/year.
(c.) Re-sign McCluster to about $3m/year.
(c.) Re-sign Jordan and Powe to minimals.
(d.) Extend Berry to about $8m/year, lowering his cap number by about $4m.
(e.) Restructure Hali, which hurts our cap in 2015, but not fatally if handled in the other contracts, lowering his cap number in 2014 by about $4m.

There's still two deals on this team, after all this adjusting, that are vastly out of whack to their value. Bowe is at $12m/year, and Flowers is at $10m/year. (We can temporarily overlook Sean Smith's $5m/year & Fasano's $4m/year.)

How often do players rework their deals, if it's clear they're outsized contracts?

Suppose the Chiefs approach Bowe and Flowers and argue that they need to rework their deals to come out to about $8m/year and $6.7m/year, respectively. How common is it that players agree to something like that?

Last offseason, TJax reworked his deal to lower his cap number from $14m to $4m.

Bowe and Flowers could, ostensibly, threaten to hold out or demand a trade/release. But the Chiefs do have a starting corner-caliber player in Cooper, and the Chiefs could easily spend their 1st rounder on a WR, so it's not clear how much of an advantage that is.

The Chiefs, on the other hand, could cut either player, save about $10m in capspace doing it, and it's virtually impossible that Bowe or Flowers would find a better deal on the open market than what we're offering ($8m/year and $6.7m/year, respectively).

So the Chiefs have more leverage, right?

FYI, if the Chiefs follow all the steps I outlined above, and were able to rework both Bowe and Flowers' deal as I suggested, that would put the Chiefs $8m under the cap, which would allow them to chase down a premier WR or S. Or whatever value we could score.

Direckshun · 02-15-2014, 10:34 AM

Capable backup QBs are very important.

Chase's contract is one of the few deals on this team that makes sense.

Dunerdr · 02-15-2014, 11:09 AM

What if the drop off Daniel to bra is only 10% as a player would you take that money for a playmaker opposite Bowe making both bday and smiths job easier?

**jjchieffan** · 02-15-2014, 11:23 AM

That's a big what if. But let's play. If the dropoff is only 10%, then sure. It's a smart move. But what if Bray is our next Croyle? Do you want to lose every game he starts to save $1.4M in cap space?

BlackHelicopters · 02-15-2014, 11:31 AM

Daniel is a bargain.

Dunerdr · 02-15-2014, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

That's a big what if. But let's play. If the dropoff is only 10%, then sure. It's a smart move. But what if Bray is our next Croyle? Do you want to lose every game he starts to save $1.4M in cap space?

It may not be that big of an if. The kid has all the physical talent. And came from from some horrible coaching.

I guess it depends on how you see it. To me #2 is your future #1 not your forever #2.

Direckshun · 02-15-2014, 12:50 PM

Well, Bray would have to actually prove it, for one.

**jjchieffan** · 02-15-2014, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr

It may not be that big of an if. The kid has all the physical talent. And came from from some horrible coaching.

I guess it depends on how you see it. To me #2 is your future #1 not your forever #2.

I have no problem with Bray as the backup......as long as he has shown that he can succeed in the role. But until he does, I say Daniel needs to stay.

**BossChief** · 02-15-2014, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

you're going to be asking CHunt to cut some heavy checks up front then. Does he do it?

He wouldn't be paying any more than he would anyway.

A restructure just takes the players base salary and pays a portion of it up front and that amount can be saved off the current years cap number and spread evenly through the course of the players contract.

In just Bowe, Hali and Berrys deals there is over 23 million in base salary to work with.

02-16-2014, 02:58 AM

This is hilarious. It's way worse than fantasy football. In fantasy football, you manage players you've pseudo-drafted to start each week to track their statistics and convert their actual productivity to a points system for your respective league.

For this? You have silly software working with unknown numbers dealing with phantom agents to sign pipe dream contracts. It's hysterical. I'm going to laugh all day Sunday.

jonzie04 · 02-16-2014, 07:26 AM

I think I remember one of the announcers saying in a game, that Chase was the highest paid backup quarterback in the nfl. not sure If I had one too many brews and misheard. but if it's true, I definitely don't think he's the second best backup QB in the league, and shouldn't be paid as such.

RippedmyFlesh · 02-16-2014, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04

I think I remember one of the announcers saying in a game, that Chase was the highest paid backup quarterback in the nfl. not sure If I had one too many brews and misheard. but if it's true, I definitely don't think he's the second best backup QB in the league, and shouldn't be paid as such.

Orton's number is 4,377,500 for next year. Daniel is a functional backup don't get all the hate and I am not even a Missouri fan.

**jjchieffan** · 02-16-2014, 06:53 PM

I don't get it either. I asked the question previously. What salaries are other backup quarterbacks in the NFL not on rookie contracts getting paid? Your answer on Orton is the only answer I got, and it supports my view. I have yet to see anyone provide an answer that shows that he is overpaid.

milkman · 02-16-2014, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

I don't get it either. I asked the question previously. What salaries are other backup quarterbacks in the NFL not on rookie contracts getting paid? Your answer on Orton is the only answer I got, and it supports my view. I have yet to see anyone provide an answer that shows that he is overpaid.

Chase Daniel, prior to the final regular season game this past season, had taken only 3 snaps more than I have in regular season games.

He was an undrafted free agent whose only NFL game experience was presseason games.

That is why he is overpaid.

Deberg_1990 · 02-16-2014, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Chase Daniel, prior to the final regular season game this past season, had taken only 3 snaps more than I have in regular season games.

He was an undrafted free agent whose only NFL game experience was presseason games.

That is why he is overpaid.

He's only overpaid until Alex Smith goes down with injury. All backups are overpaid because they are basically just insurance.
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milkman · 02-16-2014, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

He's only overpaid until Alex Smith goes down with injury. All backups are overpaid because they are basically just insurance.
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No, he's overpaid.

There are no 'untils'.

You earn your second contract based on your performance during your first contract.

He did jack.

02-14-2014, 03:18 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2123447	Reworking deals? So I'm screwing around with the salary cap calculator. I can get this team in a decent-enough position to stay beneathe the cap by about $3,000,000 if I: (a.) Extend Alex Smith by about $15m/year. (b.) Re-sign Schwartz to about $2.5m/year. (c.) Re-sign McCluster to about $3m/year. (c.) Re-sign Jordan and Powe to minimals. (d.) Extend Berry to about $8m/year, lowering his cap number by about $4m. (e.) Restructure Hali, which hurts our cap in 2015, but not fatally if handled in the other contracts, lowering his cap number in 2014 by about $4m. There's still two deals on this team, after all this adjusting, that are vastly out of whack to their value. Bowe is at $12m/year, and Flowers is at $10m/year. (We can temporarily overlook Sean Smith's $5m/year & Fasano's $4m/year.) How often do players rework their deals, if it's clear they're outsized contracts? Suppose the Chiefs approach Bowe and Flowers and argue that they need to rework their deals to come out to about $8m/year and $6.7m/year, respectively. How common is it that players agree to something like that? Last offseason, TJax reworked his deal to lower his cap number from $14m to $4m. Bowe and Flowers could, ostensibly, threaten to hold out or demand a trade/release. But the Chiefs do have a starting corner-caliber player in Cooper, and the Chiefs could easily spend their 1st rounder on a WR, so it's not clear how much of an advantage that is. The Chiefs, on the other hand, could cut either player, save about $10m in capspace doing it, and it's virtually impossible that Bowe or Flowers would find a better deal on the open market than what we're offering ($8m/year and $6.7m/year, respectively). So the Chiefs have more leverage, right? FYI, if the Chiefs follow all the steps I outlined above, and were able to rework both Bowe and Flowers' deal as I suggested, that would put the Chiefs $8m under the cap, which would allow them to chase down a premier WR or S. Or whatever value we could score.
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02-15-2014, 10:34 AM	#16
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2123447	Capable backup QBs are very important. Chase's contract is one of the few deals on this team that makes sense.
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02-15-2014, 11:09 AM	#17
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02-15-2014, 11:23 AM	#18
jjchieffan Supporter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Highlandville, MO Casino cash: $102248	That's a big what if. But let's play. If the dropoff is only 10%, then sure. It's a smart move. But what if Bray is our next Croyle? Do you want to lose every game he starts to save $1.4M in cap space? __________________ Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth. Following the historical accounts and the genealogy from that point on, the age of the Earth is approximately 6000-7000 years old. The Big Bullshit Theory is a lie. It and the evolution theory go against real science. Satan has used our public school system to brainwash everyone into believing these lies. Be not decieved.
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02-15-2014, 12:50 PM	#21
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2123447	Well, Bray would have to actually prove it, for one.
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02-16-2014, 02:58 AM	#24
Phobia Guest Casino cash: $	This is hilarious. It's way worse than fantasy football. In fantasy football, you manage players you've pseudo-drafted to start each week to track their statistics and convert their actual productivity to a points system for your respective league. For this? You have silly software working with unknown numbers dealing with phantom agents to sign pipe dream contracts. It's hysterical. I'm going to laugh all day Sunday.
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02-16-2014, 07:26 AM	#25
jonzie04 MVP Join Date: Feb 2014 Casino cash: $5716817	I think I remember one of the announcers saying in a game, that Chase was the highest paid backup quarterback in the nfl. not sure If I had one too many brews and misheard. but if it's true, I definitely don't think he's the second best backup QB in the league, and shouldn't be paid as such.
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02-16-2014, 06:53 PM	#27
jjchieffan Supporter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Highlandville, MO Casino cash: $102248	I don't get it either. I asked the question previously. What salaries are other backup quarterbacks in the NFL not on rookie contracts getting paid? Your answer on Orton is the only answer I got, and it supports my view. I have yet to see anyone provide an answer that shows that he is overpaid. __________________ Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth. Following the historical accounts and the genealogy from that point on, the age of the Earth is approximately 6000-7000 years old. The Big Bullshit Theory is a lie. It and the evolution theory go against real science. Satan has used our public school system to brainwash everyone into believing these lies. Be not decieved.
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