Chiefs "The way it looks now back-up Geoff Schwartz ... will likely sign elsewhere." - Page 12

Direckshun · 02-26-2014, 11:47 AM

So says the guy who runs draftinsider.net, Tony Pauline, talking to people all week at the Combine:

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Kansas City Chiefs:

I'm told Branden Albert may not be the only veteran offensive lineman out the door in Kansas City. The way it looks now back-up Geoff Schwartz, who received heavy interest at the combine, will likely sign elsewhere.

Follow Tony Pauline @TonyPauline.

He's also reporting the rumor that the Raiders want to try to re-sign McFadden, but they are unlikely to pull it off.

htismaqe · 02-28-2014, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I would like to see us use a lot of late round picks and undrafted picks on positions like linemen. We should hopefully get to the point where every year, we have a young option to replace an expensive one. And you don't need big dollars or high draft picks to find good linemen.

I agree.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'm surprised at how many people on this thread are panicking about losing Schwartz. If people are so gung ho about not drafting a Guard in the first round, then they shouldn't hold the position in such high regard that we'd panic over losing one.

It's a numbers game. With both Schwartz and Asamoah as free agents, they're going to have to pick some players up somewhere. It opens up the very real possibility that they'll draft one early. After last year, that's just very hard for some of us to stomach.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-28-2014, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I agree.

It's a numbers game. With both Schwartz and Asamoah as free agents, they're going to have to pick some players up somewhere. It opens up the very real possibility that they'll draft one early. After last year, that's just very hard for some of us to stomach.

Yeah, that concerns me too, given Reid's history. But I feel pretty good that for interior linemen, this won't be too big a concern. I feel like with Stephenson and Fisher at Tackle, we probably wouldn't have to worry about a first round lineman pick. Unless we're talking about a pro bowl level interior lineman which I wouldn't be crazy about, but it at least means you upgrade the position for a lot cheaper.

booger · 02-28-2014, 08:44 AM

'Youngest Oline in the NFL'. How many times did Reid use that when the offense struggled. When Asomah and Schwartz started to rotate before GS took over full time when Asomoah was injured. Dorsey used the "youngest OLine in the NFL" line in his presser at the combine too. That line gets younger with Albert out the door. I expect them to draft for depth on the OL but I just don't see an early pic on OL.

It's the same reason why when the offseason started and I assumed they would get Schwartz re-signed I wanted to see an upgrade for Allen at LG because I also assumed Fisher would slide to LT sooner rather than later and I would like to see a vet Guard next to him. To balance things out.

And remember a big reason why they like Schwartz is he is a big G that can play T. Reid has a history of plugging in those types especially his earlier years in Philly. It helps greatly on the game day roster with only 7 active. There's what, one source out there saying Schwartz may not resign? It's pretty early to think that's a done deal compared to Albert leaving which looks much more like a far gone conclusion.

I hope they target guys like Ebon Britton G/T (played for Heck in J'ville)
Jason Spitz C/G who has GB Sea and J'ville connections in KC. Jon Gruden favorite Jeremy Trueblood G/RT. Guys like that for bargain signings. Competition to where if the Roc Watkins and Rishaw Johnsons beat them out they will be better because of the competition anyway.

Austin Howard, Michael Oher, and Roger Saffold all have a good market to get starting OT jobs with loads of cash but I would love to see KC throw some cash at one of them to come in and play G if they are willing which the only advantage edge there in recruiting them is to play for an up and coming team in KC and Reid. Money talks there. I just think Reid would like his own Mike Iupati type of G. Schwartz is still probably the cheapest option in that regard.

**Bowser** · 02-28-2014, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'd rather put everything on playmakers.

I'm sick and ****ing tired of drafting linemen in the 1st round.

This just can't be quoted enough.

**RealSNR** · 02-28-2014, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If we truly believe what we've been saying for years that the team needs to build through the draft, then we shouldn't be panicking about a Guard leaving the team. I would rather put our money on playmakers.

We will. Giving Schwartz what he wants for a contract isn't going to break the bank or prevent us from re-signing Berry, Houston, or Smith.

We can have a rotation of brilliant playmakers that we've always wanted if we keep drafting them. But we can't keep drafting them if we're wasting picks on the ****ing offensive line.

The offensive line is THE position to throw money at. The players are cheaper, and success is often based on chemistry and scheme. Once you find the right combination, it's not a good idea to be switching pieces in and out. It's about time that we had a starting offensive line that didn't have one or more first-year starters or rookies on it. It's also about time that we didn't have a starting offensive line with brokedick veterans on it like Lilja and Weigmann.

That's why we should re-sign Schwartz. And STOP ****ING DRAFTING OFFENSIVE LINEMEN.

**The Franchise** · 02-28-2014, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

We will. Giving Schwartz what he wants for a contract isn't going to break the bank or prevent us from re-signing Berry, Houston, or Smith.

We can have a rotation of brilliant playmakers that we've always wanted if we keep drafting them. But we can't keep drafting them if we're wasting picks on the ****ing offensive line.

The offensive line is THE position to throw money at. The players are cheaper, and success is often based on chemistry and scheme. Once you find the right combination, it's not a good idea to be switching pieces in and out. It's about time that we had a starting offensive line that didn't have one or more first-year starters or rookies on it. It's also about time that we didn't have a starting offensive line with brokedick veterans on it like Lilja and Weigmann.

That's why we should re-sign Schwartz. And STOP ****ING DRAFTING OFFENSIVE LINEMEN.

That and offensive linemen tend to play for a lot longer than skill positions. A 30 year old OG is going to be just fine....where as a 30 year old WR/TE/RB is going to start declining.

**Dave Lane** · 02-28-2014, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

What are the top 10-15 contracts for guards? Numbers-wise? I'm not expecting us to give him Levitre money, but I'd be willing to shell some dough out to keep Schwartz here long-term.

Better than ****ing away more draft picks in the first 3 rounds at the ****ing offensive line.

Moar OL

**The Franchise** · 02-28-2014, 11:48 AM

Top 10 OG Cap Hits.

Mankins - $10m
Snee - $8.5m
Blalock - $7.6m
Yanda - $7.45m
Colledge - $7.25m
Evans - $6.74m
Joseph - $6m
Nwaneri - $5.8m
Sitton - $5.5m
Incognito - $4.97m

**BossChief** · 02-28-2014, 12:21 PM

I bet Incognito could be had for a bargain.

**RealSNR** · 02-28-2014, 01:05 PM

There you ****ing have it.

The Patriots (the kings of Jewing their own players) are paying out the ass for a guard who's been on the team for years.

Acquire your offensive line. Pay them. Quit wasting draft stock on the position. That's how you do it, folks.

-King- · 02-28-2014, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

What are the top 10-15 contracts for guards? Numbers-wise? I'm not expecting us to give him Levitre money, but I'd be willing to shell some dough out to keep Schwartz here long-term.

Better than ****ing away more draft picks in the first 3 rounds at the ****ing offensive line.

You want to sign a guy to a long term deal after he only started 7 games here and 26 in 6 years?

I understand not wanting to draft one in the first 3 rounds, but there are plenty of Geoff Schwartz's in the last 4 rounds. Some even better. And they'll be even cheaper than Schwartz.

**RealSNR** · 02-28-2014, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

You want to sign a guy to a long term deal after he only started 7 games here and 26 in 6 years?

I understand not wanting to draft one in the first 3 rounds, but there are plenty of Geoff Schwartz's in the last 4 rounds. Some even better.

Then are we letting Asamoah walk?

If both of those guys leave, are we starting a rookie? Or are we bringing in a free agent?

The free agent will be just as pricey.

-King- · 02-28-2014, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Then are we letting Asamoah walk?

If both of those guys leave, are we starting a rookie? Or are we bringing in a free agent?

The free agent will be just as pricey.

I wouldn't mind any of the above honestly. That's why I'm not bent out of shape about it. There's little if any difference in Asomoah, Schwartz, or a rookie except that Schwartz has pretty much maxed out his ceiling.

**RealSNR** · 02-28-2014, 02:29 PM

I do not want to start a rookie. Jeff Allen still plays like one. We don't need another.

Yeah, it's great if you find a Larry Warford staring at you in the 5th round. Good luck finding one, though. Otherwise there we are pissing away our 1st or 3rd on another guard.

OldSchool · 02-28-2014, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

There you ****ing have it.

The Patriots (the kings of Jewing their own players) are paying out the ass for a guard who's been on the team for years.

Acquire your offensive line. Pay them. Quit wasting draft stock on the position. That's how you do it, folks.

Parriots drafted Logan Makins in the 1st round.

They also almost never spend a 1st on a WR.

02-28-2014, 08:44 AM	#168
booger Don't Tug on Superman's Cape Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: clear out in the sticks Casino cash: $-2341450	'Youngest Oline in the NFL'. How many times did Reid use that when the offense struggled. When Asomah and Schwartz started to rotate before GS took over full time when Asomoah was injured. Dorsey used the "youngest OLine in the NFL" line in his presser at the combine too. That line gets younger with Albert out the door. I expect them to draft for depth on the OL but I just don't see an early pic on OL. It's the same reason why when the offseason started and I assumed they would get Schwartz re-signed I wanted to see an upgrade for Allen at LG because I also assumed Fisher would slide to LT sooner rather than later and I would like to see a vet Guard next to him. To balance things out. And remember a big reason why they like Schwartz is he is a big G that can play T. Reid has a history of plugging in those types especially his earlier years in Philly. It helps greatly on the game day roster with only 7 active. There's what, one source out there saying Schwartz may not resign? It's pretty early to think that's a done deal compared to Albert leaving which looks much more like a far gone conclusion. I hope they target guys like Ebon Britton G/T (played for Heck in J'ville) Jason Spitz C/G who has GB Sea and J'ville connections in KC. Jon Gruden favorite Jeremy Trueblood G/RT. Guys like that for bargain signings. Competition to where if the Roc Watkins and Rishaw Johnsons beat them out they will be better because of the competition anyway. Austin Howard, Michael Oher, and Roger Saffold all have a good market to get starting OT jobs with loads of cash but I would love to see KC throw some cash at one of them to come in and play G if they are willing which the only advantage edge there in recruiting them is to play for an up and coming team in KC and Reid. Money talks there. I just think Reid would like his own Mike Iupati type of G. Schwartz is still probably the cheapest option in that regard. __________________ 1 Thessalonians 5:3 “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.” KJV
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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1474792	There you ****ing have it. The Patriots (the kings of Jewing their own players) are paying out the ass for a guard who's been on the team for years. Acquire your offensive line. Pay them. Quit wasting draft stock on the position. That's how you do it, folks.
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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1474792	I do not want to start a rookie. Jeff Allen still plays like one. We don't need another. Yeah, it's great if you find a Larry Warford staring at you in the 5th round. Good luck finding one, though. Otherwise there we are pissing away our 1st or 3rd on another guard.
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