mcshay mock 3.0

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

You think Van Noy can be a Darryl Washington type? I think he has the instincts to do it, I just don't think that Sutton is capable of utilizing his personnel that way though. Van Noy was also too slow for me to take in the 1st. Have enough slow defenders on our team already. Slow and not explosive is a no-no for me in the 1st.

If we go LB, I'd much rather take Ford or Attaochu over Van Noy.

We can get a MLB like Khairi Fortt in the 4th-6th rounds.

Van Noy's 40 time is deceiving. While he measured at a 4.71, that speed doesn't change in pads. He's one of the fastest linebackers I've seen recently on the field. His ability to close on the ball is first rate.

And he gives you positional versatility that Attaochu or Ford don't.

While the Daryl Washington comparison is close (and I really liked Washington coming out of TCU), I think the best comparison is current Chief Derrick Johnson. (Though, I think that Van Noy is substantially better at shedding blocks at the same stage as Johnson was.) Both are very instinctive and flow exceptionally well with the play. Van Noy is incredibly "natural" at the LB position and plays it extremely effective on both the edge and inside.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Van Noy's 40 time is deceiving. While he measured at a 4.71, that speed doesn't change in pads. He's one of the fastest linebackers I've seen recently on the field. His ability to close on the ball is first rate.

And he gives you positional versatility that Attaochu or Ford don't.

While the Daryl Washington comparison is close (and I really liked Washington coming out of TCU), I think the best comparison is current Chief Derrick Johnson. (Though, I think that Van Noy is substantially better at shedding blocks at the same stage as Johnson was.) Both are very instinctive and flow exceptionally well with the play. Van Noy is incredibly "natural" at the LB position and plays it extremely effective on both the edge and inside.

Give me Shazier at ILB over Van Noy.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Give me Shazier at ILB over Van Noy.

I like both, but there is something to be said about level of competition sometimes. As a Buckeye fan, I can say that more often than not you know what you're getting when you draft LB, CB, or OL from OSU. Shazier has burst and speed to burn and he gets there with a purpose. I think Van Noy is impressive, but he never showed me the same ability to shed as Shazier.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I like both, but there is something to be said about level of competition sometimes. As a Buckeye fan, I can say that more often than not you know what you're getting when you draft LB, CB, or OL from OSU. Shazier has burst and speed to burn and he gets there with a purpose. I think Van Noy is impressive, but he never showed me the same ability to shed as Shazier.

An overrated, peaked too early type of player?

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Give me Shazier at ILB over Van Noy.

In all seriousness, Shazier is really small, especially for a 34 LB. He plays with reckless abandon, but he doesn't seem to show good fundamentals. He takes poor angles and seems to forget how to tackle more often than you'd like.

I think he's going to get swallowed up by NFL offensive lines in a 34 as an inside linebacker. I think he's a pure weak side OLB in a 43, and that's if he can play at the 235 lb. he was at the combine.

Right now, he looks more like a potential LaRon Landry type of player IMO.

He's going to be overdrafted due to his combine numbers.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

In all seriousness, Shazier is really small, especially for a 34 LB. He plays with reckless abandon, but he doesn't seem to show good fundamentals. He takes poor angles and seems to forget how to tackle more often than you'd like.

I think he's going to get swallowed up by NFL offensive lines in a 34 as an inside linebacker. I think he's a pure weak side OLB in a 43, and that's if he can play at the 235 lb. he was at the combine.

Right now, he looks more like a potential LaRon Landry type of player IMO.

He's going to be overdrafted due to his combine numbers.

Jordan is only 230 pounds and nowhere near the athlete that Shazier is. Don't think the coaches would have an issue with his size.