Rumor: Albert to the Dolphins

[Titty Meat]

*Albert

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-the-dolphins/

So that great 08' draft class won 0 playoff games and 3 of the better players from that draft are no longer on the team. Thanks Pioli.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

They don't want an outstanding team. They want a repeat of the 90's.

Don't be an idiot.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Don't be an idiot.

Read the posts and then chime in. People around here LOVE to refer to the good old days "when we were a contender". So much of a contender that we won zero playoff games after Montana left.

[Mugsy]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Better than drafting a mediocre right tackle when you already had Branden Albert, Donald Stephenson, and 3 other high draft picks on the line.

You're not going to win this argument. Fisher was a horrible pick. There's no other way to look at it unless you're just a ****ing homer.

They had to choose between Albert and Bowe. After they chose Bowe, keeping Albert was never going to be an option going forward. This year, we would have never been able to afford Veldeer or Munroe either. If we hadn't taken Fisher, we would be looking at taking an OT in this year's first round and probably at pick #23. Fisher is going to be better than Cyrus Kouandjio and that's exactly who we'd be looking at in this draft if we passed on an OT in 2013.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Mugsy

They had to choose between Albert and Bowe. After they chose Bowe, keeping Albert was never going to be an option going forward. We wouldn't be able to afford Veldeer or Munroe if we couldn't afford Albert. If we hadn't taken Fisher, we would be looking at taking an OT in this year's first round and probably at pick #23. Fisher is going to be better than Cyrus Kouandjio and that's exactly who we'd be looking at in this draft if we passed on an OT in 2013.

Fisher isn't better than Donald Stephenson, a THIRD round pick.

Nothing you said here is even remotely true. 100% speculation.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

They don't want an outstanding team. They want a repeat of the 90's.

Bet you were one of those, Carl doesn't want a championship, he just wants a full Arrowhead, guys.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Messier

Yeah. You can play this game with any draft any year. You're the first I've seen to question the Flowers pick. Also Charles >>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone you mentioned.

Over Talib and DRC? Certainly.

But Clady and Campbell? No way.

Clady was arguably the best LT in the NFL prior to his injury. Great LTs are harder to find than a great RB.

Campbell is one of the most disruptive DL players of this generation and that's coming from the 5-tech position.

I wouldn't hesitate to trade Charles for either of them.

A great RB is a hell of a lot easier to replace than a great DL or OL player.

We could have gotten all 3 of those guys plus Charles in the 3rd still.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Messier

Bet you were one of those, Carl doesn't want a championship, he just wants a full Arrowhead, guys.

Actually, no I wasn't.

I was the President of the Carlpologists and was even accused of being on his payroll.

See, I have this thing about looking at things realistically. People tend to only look at this team in polar extremes so realism is something that's really hard to digest for them.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

The point is that going "safe" at 1.1 in a draft that doesn't have a true sure thing is kind of counter-intuitive.

That going "safe" helps you build a solid team but makes it more difficult to find true stars and build an outstanding team.

You'd have an argument if there actually were any "outstanding" skills players in that draft. There weren't.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

You'd have an argument if there actually were any "outstanding" skills players in that draft. There weren't.

Many of them could develop into good skill players. Unless we're already writing them off.

Oopsie...

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Mugsy

They had to choose between Albert and Bowe. After they chose Bowe, keeping Albert was never going to be an option going forward. This year, we would have never been able to afford Veldeer or Munroe either. If we hadn't taken Fisher, we would be looking at taking an OT in this year's first round and probably at pick #23. Fisher is going to be better than Cyrus Kouandjio and that's exactly who we'd be looking at in this draft if we passed on an OT in 2013.

This argument really doesn't work. Just because the cost of Albert was going to become too prohibitive doesn't mean they have to use a Round 1 pick to replace him.

Nothing says the Chiefs would need to find a RT in the first round or even in the draft, period, had they not drafted Fisher.

Good OL can be found all over the place. Including the 3rd round and later.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Actually, no I wasn't.

I was the President of the Carlpologists and was even accused of being on his payroll.

See, I have this thing about looking at things realistically. People tend to only look at this team in polar extremes so realism is something that's really hard to digest for them.

The reality is no coach, owner, or GM is satisfied with making the playoffs. They all want to build a championship team.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Read the posts and then chime in. People around here LOVE to refer to the good old days "when we were a contender". So much of a contender that we won zero playoff games after Montana left.

I read your post as "they" meaning "the Chiefs."

If you meant "they" as in "Chiefs season ticket holders," then I think yeah... you're probably right.

But the Chiefs - Hunt, Dorsey, Reid, et al... those guys want a championship and thinking otherwise is silly. That's what I was referring to, but it occurs to me now that you were talking about the fans.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Many of them could develop into good skill players. Unless we're already writing them off.

Oopsie...

Just curious, who were you actually advocating for in that draft? None of this retrospective ish, who was it that you wanted to take #1 overall?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Just curious, who were you actually advocating for in that draft? None of this retrospective ish, who was it that you wanted to take #1 overall?

I wanted Geno Smith. Of course, that turned out to be wrong.

And of course, that has NOTHING at all to do with the discussion at hand. There were several options that were better than Eric Fisher.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Over Talib and DRC? Certainly.

But Clady and Campbell? No way.

Clady was arguably the best LT in the NFL prior to his injury. Great LTs are harder to find than a great RB.

Campbell is one of the most disruptive DL players of this generation and that's coming from the 5-tech position.

I wouldn't hesitate to trade Charles for either of them.

A great RB is a hell of a lot easier to replace than a great DL or OL player.

We could have gotten all 3 of those guys plus Charles in the 3rd still.

I think you're overrating Campbell, but that's me. My point is in most drafts for every team, you'll find a better player than the one you took, later in the draft. The 2008 draft was really good. To say it hurt us, is nuts.