A video tribute to the 1985 Royals

[rico]

It was all that Don Denkinger's fault, everyone knows that. If he would have called Jorge Orta out like he was supposed to, the Cardinals would have won another World Series us Cardinal fans are entitled to enjoy and I wouldn't have memories of my dad kicking a hole in our living room wall and breaking our toilet, which then made us resort to using our outhouse for a week (seriously...I grew up in an ancient farm house in the boonies, in which is there is an outhouse on the land...I've taken many dumps in that outhouse over the years...just did last Summer for shits and giggles). ANYWAYS, Don Denkinger should die of gonorrhea and rot in hell. Would you like a cookie, planeteers?????

[Pepe Silvia]

Originally Posted by rico

It was all that Don Denkinger's fault, everyone knows that. If he would have called Jorge Orta out like he was supposed to, the Cardinals would have won another World Series us Cardinal fans are entitled to enjoy and I wouldn't have memories of my dad kicking a hole in our living room wall and breaking our toilet, which then made us resort to using our outhouse for a week (seriously...I grew up in an ancient farm house in the boonies, in which is there is an outhouse on the land...I've taken many dumps in that outhouse over the years...just did last Summer for shits and giggles). ANYWAYS, Don Denkinger should die of gonorrhea and rot in hell. Would you like a cookie, planeteers?????

Whaddaya know, they're little baseballs.

[rico]

Originally Posted by PackerinMo

Whaddaya know, they're little baseballs.

Orta's out.

[oldandslow]

Originally Posted by rico

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This....all day, every day.

Nothing against the Royals, really. But that call changed a series. Period.

2011 kind of made up for it tho. Karma can be wonderful thing.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Originally Posted by oldandslow

But that call changed a series. Period. allowed a guy to get on first base who eventually got out at third and never even scored. The Cardinals then fell apart for the rest of the inning on their own, without any assistance from umpires, and then lost 11-0 in game seven.

fixed your post

[oldandslow]

Originally Posted by thurman merman

fixed your post

right. Extra outs mean nothing.

Like I said, I have nothing against the Royals and would root for them against anybody but the Cards in the series.

But to say that call didn't change the series is myopic.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by oldandslow

right. Extra outs mean nothing.

Like I said, I have nothing against the Royals and would root for them against anybody but the Cards in the series.

But to say that call didn't change the series is myopic.

So your argument is that Jack Clark completely lose track of the pop-up because of that call? That the passed ball by Porter was because of the call?

Let's replay the inning if Orta is correctly called out:

Orta - Out
Balboni - Single, pinch runner
Sandberg - sacrifice still likely. Two outs, runner at 2nd.
Pinch hitter - McRae - likely still walked (passed ball probably never happens) to set up a force at any bag and work around a more dangerous hitter.
Iorg - bloop single to RF still ties the game.

AT BEST for the Cardinals... It's a tie game.

[SPATCH]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

So your argument is that Jack Clark completely lose track of the pop-up because of that call? That the passed ball by Porter was because of the call?

Let's replay the inning if Orta is correctly called out:

Orta - Out
Balboni - Single, pinch runner
Sandberg - sacrifice still likely. Two outs, runner at 2nd.
Pinch hitter - McRae - likely still walked (passed ball probably never happens) to set up a force at any bag and work around a more dangerous hitter.
Iorg - bloop single to RF still ties the game.

AT BEST for the Cardinals... It's a tie game.

You know, I wasn't alive during the '85 WS and I never really fully investigated that 9th inning until just now. The Card's didn't get nearly as screwed over as the Card's fans that I know have always made it out to me.

**** those guys.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

So your argument is that Jack Clark completely lose track of the pop-up because of that call? That the passed ball by Porter was because of the call?

Let's replay the inning if Orta is correctly called out:

Orta - Out
Balboni - Single, pinch runner
Sandberg - sacrifice still likely. Two outs, runner at 2nd.
Pinch hitter - McRae - likely still walked (passed ball probably never happens) to set up a force at any bag and work around a more dangerous hitter.
Iorg - bloop single to RF still ties the game.

AT BEST for the Cardinals... It's a tie game.

"BUT...BUT...HE WAS OUT! SCREW DINKENGER!" - Cardinals fans

[VAChief]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

So your argument is that Jack Clark completely lose track of the pop-up because of that call? That the passed ball by Porter was because of the call?

Let's replay the inning if Orta is correctly called out:

Orta - Out
Balboni - Single, pinch runner
Sandberg - sacrifice still likely. Two outs, runner at 2nd.
Pinch hitter - McRae - likely still walked (passed ball probably never happens) to set up a force at any bag and work around a more dangerous hitter.
Iorg - bloop single to RF still ties the game.

AT BEST for the Cardinals... It's a tie game.

One of the overlooked aspects of that inning is that had Orta been called out Clark is playing back at normal depth instead of holding the runner on. Doesn't mean he catches the pop up, but he probably has a much better read on it than he would holding a runner on.

That said any speculation is just that...speculation.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Originally Posted by VAChief

One of the overlooked aspects of that inning is that had Orta been called out Clark is playing back at normal depth instead of holding the runner on. Doesn't mean he catches the pop up, but he probably has a much better read on it than he would holding a runner on.

That said any speculation is just that...speculation.

And speculation that the blown call is what the made the Cardinals implode for the rest of the inning as well as the entire seventh game is just that...speculation.