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Old 04-05-2014, 10:56 PM   #1
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What in the hell are you TALKING about? Be specific, please.

Its only rock n roll... some of you people REALLY overthink all of this.
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Old 04-06-2014, 12:05 AM   #2
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What in the hell are you TALKING about? Be specific, please.

Its only rock n roll... some of you people REALLY overthink all of this.
I'm talking about mentioning KISS in the same sentence as Van Halen, AC/DC and the Rolling Stones. I don't hate KISS, but c'mon...
KISS's main influence is in the field of theatrics--the make up, the explosions, Gene breathing fire, etc.
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Old 04-06-2014, 12:31 AM   #3
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I'm talking about mentioning KISS in the same sentence as Van Halen, AC/DC and the Rolling Stones. I don't hate KISS, but c'mon...
KISS's main influence is in the field of theatrics--the make up, the explosions, Gene breathing fire, etc.
wrong, Wrong, WRONG... you and millions of others have been convinced of this opinion without actually listening to the albums, like so many musicians who you surely respect have.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/qu...rea358806.html

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/ne...uence-20140403

And bear in mind, Mike is just one of countless rock stars who consider KISS huge musical influences, its not just some weird joke Cosmo... these guys were ****ING HUGE, just because you were unaware doesn't mean that this world wasn't exisiting out of your sight.
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Old 04-06-2014, 01:01 AM   #4
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wrong, Wrong, WRONG... you and millions of others have been convinced of this opinion without actually listening to the albums, like so many musicians who you surely respect have.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/qu...rea358806.html

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/ne...uence-20140403

And bear in mind, Mike is just one of countless rock stars who consider KISS huge musical influences, its not just some weird joke Cosmo... these guys were ****ING HUGE, just because you were unaware doesn't mean that this world wasn't exisiting out of your sight.
I've listened to the albums. I own some of them. I know they were ****ing huge--and a huge part of that was the image.

Motley Crue > KISS
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Old 04-06-2014, 01:21 AM   #5
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I've listened to the albums. I own some of them. I know they were ****ing huge--and a huge part of that was the image.

Motley Crue > KISS
atleast tk is being intellectually honest here.
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Old 04-06-2014, 06:46 AM   #6
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I'm talking about mentioning KISS in the same sentence as Van Halen, AC/DC and the Rolling Stones. I don't hate KISS, but c'mon...
KISS's main influence is in the field of theatrics--the make up, the explosions, Gene breathing fire, etc.
That's just not true. The theatrics were a big influence, yes. But the band, due to exposure and marketing, were just huge.

Musically, I wouldn't put them in the same sentence with VH or AC/DC, no.

Buy when you read/see interview after interview with musicians who say the first album they bought with their own money was "destroyer" and the first concert they went to was KISS, the level of influence is undeniable.
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I'm talking about mentioning KISS in the same sentence as Van Halen, AC/DC and the Rolling Stones. I don't hate KISS, but c'mon...
KISS's main influence is in the field of theatrics--the make up, the explosions, Gene breathing fire, etc.
Again, you're selling them short, Nikki Sixx says their songwriting was a huge influence and the drummer from prog rock (read;highbrow) band Dream Theater says "they were the Beatles of our generation"...

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...s-still-scoff/

They were big musical influence on Rivers Cuomo from Weezer...

http://www.weezerpedia.com/wiki/index.php?title=KISS

I've already mentioned how Mike McCready from Pearl Jam is a huge fan and admittedly ripped off Ace Frehley for his solo on "Alive"

They also had crossover appeal with Garth Brooks covering "Hard Luck Woman" at his shows all of the time and even performed it live with KISS.

Scott Ian of Anthrax, for one, says they're just as important as Aerosmith and Led Zeppelin...

http://radio.com/2013/03/19/anthraxs...b-pretty-lame/

And finally, what about this lineup for a cover album, Lenny Kravitz with Stevie Wonder, Maynard James Keenan, Tom Morello, The Mighty Bosstones, Lemonhead, Dinosaur Jr... if their music was worthless pap would these artists have bothered?

When people say "yeah they just influenced stage shows and image"... it just doesn't ring true, of the dozens of rockers I've seen praise KISS, not one of them said "yeah, it was just they hype I bought into, not the music.
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Old 04-07-2014, 10:26 PM   #8
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Again, you're selling them short, Nikki Sixx says their songwriting was a huge influence and the drummer from prog rock (read;highbrow) band Dream Theater says "they were the Beatles of our generation"...
Geez...c'mon...

I don't think appearing on a cover album is much evidence of anything, and certainly someone playing a cover of one of your songs doesn't make you Aerosmith, Led Zep, or JFC...the Beatles.

Also, I never said their music is "worthless pap."

I'm sure they were a big influence on Nikki Sixx, but keep in mind that guy has done enough drugs to kill a horse. Motley Crue even used heavy makeup in their early years, and you can definitely see the influence in MC's concerts.
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