2014 NFL Combine - Players - The DT

[planetdoc]

1. I would like to see that data

2. I dont think that "disappear for entire series' at a time" is the same as a "lack of work ethic" or the same as "big time attitude issues."

In Hagemon's case it could be the lack of technique and experience.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

1. I would like to see that data

I'll have to see if I can dig it up. We only did it for a few years and the database is very difficult to search that far back.

Originally Posted by planetdoc

2. I dont think that "disappear for entire series' at a time" is the same as a "lack of work ethic" or the same as "big time attitude issues."

In Hagemon's case it could be the lack of technique and experience.

Again, I watched him play quite a bit. There were many times when you could see a lack of effort.

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Again, I watched him play quite a bit. There were many times when you could see a lack of effort.

What you assume as lack of effort can be something else.

Hageman's production is relatively modest compared to other top prospects for a reason: his technique is still quite raw. The fact that he's a defensive line convert still shows, as he struggles to disengage from blockers using his hands and lacks pass rushing moves. He's inconsistent in utilizing his length while engaged, often not being in ideal position to extend into his blocker and dominate as he should. With his size, he needs to learn how to keep his pads lower with more consistency as he has a lot of body to latch onto, which plays a part in his losing battles at the line. His dealing with double teams is less than ideal, as he often lacks a plan while attacking them, not being quickly aware of the extra attention and running into a wall. He could also stand to add lower body strength to help him improve his dealing with double teams. His long legs can leave him susceptible to cut blocks.

He has a lot to learn, but so did Poe. His physical gifts are something that cant be taught and something that is worth the #23 pick with the new CBA.

last yrs #23 pick was DT Shariff Floyd. His contract

Signed a four-year, $7.671 million contract. The deal included a $4,253,600 signing bonus.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

What you assume as lack of effort can be something else.

Except that a lot of scouts are also assuming it's a lack of effort...

Originally Posted by planetdoc

He has a lot to learn, but so did Poe. His physical gifts are something that cant be taught and something that is worth the #23 pick with the new CBA.

Hageman isn't NEAR the physical specimen Dontari Poe is.

You're inflating his value quite a little bit.

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Except that a lot of scouts are also assuming it's a lack of effort...

who are these scouts? I think it will be clear exactly how the NFL perceives him on draft day. Its smoke and mirrors time right now.

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Hageman isn't NEAR the physical specimen Dontari Poe is.

You're inflating his value quite a little bit.

they are both physical freaks.


Poe is heavier and faster, but Hageman is still very fast for his size. Poe benched 44x with 32" arms, while Hageman benched 32x with 34" arms. Hageman has better numbers everywhere else.

Poe is a physical freak as a NT. Hageman is a physical freak as a 3-4 DE.

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

who are these scouts? I think it will be clear exactly how the NFL perceives him on draft day. Its smoke and mirrors time right now.

went 37th overall.

Atlanta is building a big 3-4D with Paul solai, Tyson Jackson, and now Hageman.