Walter Rapes the Chiefs Draft - Page 3

Saccopoo · 05-18-2014, 08:31 PM

Don't agree with the Murray pick as I believe it was a complete piss away of a selection at a position that wasn't needing a pick in the first place. Murray will not even lead a team deep into the preseason, let alone the post season.

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NFL Draft Team Grade: C- Grade

Goals Entering the 2014 NFL Draft: The Chiefs are missing a second-round pick, so they want to move down more than anything. Their aim is to do so and then grab a guard like Xavier Su'a-Filo or Joel Bitonio. After that, they have to use some selections on the receiving corps and secondary. Getting some help in the front seven and on the defensive line is another goal.

2014 NFL Draft Accomplishments: I get the feeling that the Chiefs spent more time trying to trade their pick rather than deciding whom they were going take. They let the clock run down because they were desperate to move out of the No. 23 spot, but they couldn't do anything and panicked, taking Dee Ford off the board. That was a dreadful selection; not only was Ford deemed a reach by teams we've spoken to, but he didn't even fill a need. There are members of Kansas City's organization who don't even like the pick. It was that bad.

The Chiefs redeemed themselves a bit with Phillip Gaines in the third round. Gaines is a tall, athletic, talented cornerback, who could start once Brandon Flowers is dealt. Taking Aaron Murray in the fifth frame was also a solid move, but once again, Kansas City had to redeem itself because of a reach - which was De'Anthony Thomas in the previous round.

Kansas City unquestionably came away with one of the worst classes this year. It made multiple reaches and failed to address most of its glaring needs. That's not how teams are supposed to draft.

NFL Draft Individual Grades:

23. Dee Ford, DE/OLB, Auburn: D Grade
Ugh. The Chiefs have not been drafting well in this new regime. Their class last year was Eric Fisher (who struggled), Travis Kelce, Knile Davis and Nico Johnson. They dealt this year's second for mediocre Alex Smith. And now they're taking a second-round prospect who fills a minimal need. Things are not looking very bright in Kansas City.

There's no doubt that Ford is a reach. The Chiefs could have moved down and still picked him. Ford also won't start anytime soon with Tamba Hali and Justin Houston in front of him. This is the worst pick of the first round thus far, but at least it's not on a Millen level.

87. Phillip Gaines, CB, Rice: A- Grade
There's talk that the Chiefs could trade Brandon Flowers, so it makes sense that they spent a mid-round selection on a cornerback. Phillip Gaines didn't get any national attention because he played at Rice, but he was terrific, albeit against inferior competition. He's also very athletic, so it wouldn't surprise me if he emerged as a solid starter down the road.

124. De'Anthony Thomas, RB, Oregon: C+ Grade
Wow. This is a couple of rounds earlier than De'Anthony Thomas was expected to go, but the Oregon play-maker should be a good weapon for Alex Smith. Kansas City's quarterback can't throw deep, so he'll need another target to dump the ball off to. Thomas also serves as a needed backup for Jamaal Charles, a need created by Knile Davis' injury.

163. Aaron Murray, QB, Georgia: A Grade
Nice. Alex Smith cannot lead the Chiefs deep into the playoffs, but perhaps Aaron Murray will be able to. Murray would have gone much earlier had he not torn his ACL, so Kansas City is getting a steal and perhaps its future starting quarterback. This is an awesome pick in the fifth round.

193. Zach Fulton, G, Tennessee: B Grade
It's a shock that the Chiefs waited this long for a guard, as I was told that the position was under consideration in the first round. Zach Fulton fits the range though, so no complaints.

200. Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, OT/G, McGill: A- Grade
There was some buzz about Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, and some even thought he could go as high as the fourth round. The Canadian could eventually compete for the right tackle job.

Mr. Arrowhead · 05-19-2014, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Article in MMQB this morning that the Falcons were trying to move up into the 20s to grab Dee Ford. So much for the theory that KC could have moved down and gotten him.

also there were talk that the eagles moved down cuz they thought Ford was gonna be there at 26. Fact is if you love a certain player and want him then just take which the Chiefs did.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-19-2014, 03:42 PM

This was the first year in a long time that all the mocks pegged us dead wrong. I like it. When Cooks was no longer an option, you had to know we were going a completely different way.

Sfeihc · 05-19-2014, 03:44 PM

I've been thinking about Walter and his CHIEFS hatred. My conclusion is he is that he's a CHIEFS fan and posts on CP.

In58men · 05-19-2014, 04:08 PM

100% agree with his take on Dee Ford and Aaron Murray. I couldn't have said it any better than that.

KCrockaholic · 05-19-2014, 06:51 PM

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Hi

Breh...

**Dave Lane** · 05-19-2014, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin

I take it, he doesn't like Alex Smith?

Who does? He's Kyle Orton with less zip and less ints

**Dave Lane** · 05-19-2014, 09:08 PM

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Aaron Murray was a fantastic pick. Even if he doesn't start, he's a great insurance policy. I believe he can come in if Alex gets hurt and do well.

Chase Daniel is set to make a combined $7 million dollars in 2014 and 2015. Time to shave off that money and help our cap situation.

Death to buttchin

O.city · 05-19-2014, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sfeihc

I've been thinking about Walter and his CHIEFS hatred. My conclusion is he is that he's a CHIEFS fan and posts on CP.

Picks the chiefs to take an ol every year, hates this draft. Guess who it is

kcchiefsus · 05-19-2014, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58

100% agree with his take on Dee Ford and Aaron Murray. I couldn't have said it any better than that.

I hope you die.

**Buehler445** · 05-19-2014, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

His reason for hating the Ford pick is the dumbest ****ing shit I've ever read. Wasn't a need? Was Walter one of those ****ing morons who thought the Giants were crazy for selecting JPP several years ago just because they already had Tuck, Kiwanuka, and Umenyiora?

Pass rushers, Walter. You can never go wrong with a ****ing passrusher.

****ing moron.

This. And how the **** is it not a need? If nothing else you can just look at the defensive numbers when Hali/Houston got hurt. You can say some of that is tape blah blah blah, but passrushers win games.

You can pick on Ford and say he won't be a good passrusher but every team needs more passrushers. I bet if you asked the Seachickens if they're not going to worry about passrushers because they crunched five head, they'd laugh you right out of the press room.

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Article in MMQB this morning that the Falcons were trying to move up into the 20s to grab Dee Ford. So much for the theory that KC could have moved down and gotten him.

oops....

GloucesterChief · 05-19-2014, 10:57 PM

Remember, all the experts ripped Seattle's 2012 draft. There is a reason why these people are on tv and writing for websites. If they actually knew anything other than what the GMs spoon feed them they would be making tons of cash being employed by a team.

**RealSNR** · 05-20-2014, 12:20 AM

How reeruned is Walter?

Given his own draft grades and his analysis of our team needs and the 1st round, he would have given us a much higher grade if we selected Su'a Felatio instead of Dee Ford. At least a B.

Selecting a first round guard essentially for him is the difference between practically hitting the draft out of the park (almost all As and Bs) and having "unquestioningly" one of the worst drafts in the class. A first round guard. That's all the difference.

Let's go around and ask all the GMs if they'd rather have Dee Ford or Xavier Su'a Filo on their team. I think I know what 98% of them would pick.

kccrow · 05-20-2014, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

Remember, all the experts ripped Seattle's 2012 draft. There is a reason why these people are on tv and writing for websites. If they actually knew anything other than what the GMs spoon feed them they would be making tons of cash being employed by a team.

Easier said than done, making it into the league and then climbing the ranks to GM. That doesn't mean people don't know anything. In fact, it is down right asinine to think people can't possibly know anything about talent because they don't work as a scout for an NFL team. It is statements like this that make me realize many people have no idea how badly the life of an NFL scout sucks most of the year.

Now, people get it wrong. In fact, so too do NFL teams. And they get it wrong more than they get it right. Seattle hit on 3 picks in that 2012 draft class: a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 7th round pick. If it weren't for Russell Wilson being the steal he was, nobody would even take notice of that draft. Unless their 1st round pick becomes something he hasn't shown yet, that draft is only slightly better than average and that is only because I'd rate finding a franchise QB in round 3 very highly.

**SAUTO** · 05-20-2014, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Picks the chiefs to take an ol every year, hates this draft. Guess who it is

Same guy who started this thread?
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**The Franchise** · 05-20-2014, 05:09 PM

How crazy would it be if Saccapoo was actually Walter.

Can't be though....Sac lives in Utah. Walter lives on the East Coast.

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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1444792	How reeruned is Walter? Given his own draft grades and his analysis of our team needs and the 1st round, he would have given us a much higher grade if we selected Su'a Felatio instead of Dee Ford. At least a B. Selecting a first round guard essentially for him is the difference between practically hitting the draft out of the park (almost all As and Bs) and having "unquestioningly" one of the worst drafts in the class. A first round guard. That's all the difference. Let's go around and ask all the GMs if they'd rather have Dee Ford or Xavier Su'a Filo on their team. I think I know what 98% of them would pick.
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