The Fermi Paradox - Why we haven't been contacted by aliens

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I'm as big a UFO buff as anybody, but I think the post WW2 technology explosion had more to do with wartime money going into tech development and then project paperclip.

I do think something happened as Roswell though. I just have no idea what, and expect that I never will. My guess is if we have ever recovered anything extraterrestrial, that we're still struggling to understand/reverse engineer it, which is my pet theory on why there has been and will be no disclosure: nobody would want to acknowledge that the phenomena is real but completely beyond our understanding and control.

I have no interest in stupid aliens. If Roswell was true they would have to be reeruned aliens. No thanks we have a bumper crop here.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

I have no interest in stupid aliens. If Roswell was true they would have to be reeruned aliens. No thanks we have a bumper crop here.

If what about Roswell is "true"?

As far as possible crashes go, I don't think technological advancement precludes either the possibility of pilot error or of mechanical (or whatever the equivalent to "mechanical" would be for highly-advanced technology) failure. Accidents will always happen. It doesn't require stupidity or reerunation, just an unfortunate sequence of events.

In any case, I don't know what the "true" story of Roswell was. There are any number of possible explanations, ranging from balloons, to US aircraft, to foreign aircraft, to something more exotic, to nothing at all. At the end of the day, I'm not going to make any assumptions because I simply don't have enough information, other than to say something happened there. I believe that's evident from the newspaper and radio reports, as well as the behavior of the Army and later the Air Force. But I have no idea what it was.

And the whole tenor of your post reminds me once again of how I am constantly disappointed by the dismissive attitude that so many scientists have with regards to this subject when they've done absolutely no research into it. Declaring something impossible without actually considering any evidence because it doesn't fit their pre-packaged world view is not science. But it is, unfortunately, reality, and we do, again unfortunately, live in a world where people are much more concerned about tenure and how they're viewed by their peers than they are in giving a legitimate mystery any semblance of honest evaluation.

The UFO research community as a whole has been polluted by crackpots and charlatans (hello Ancient Aliens and Steven Greer) and because of it the subject as a whole, as well as the people who actually do legitimate research into it are lumped in with the people trying to get the space brothers to land and take them away. And because of that, actual scientists who might actually come to some conclusions are left with very few options, basically to either mock the subject, hide any interest they may have from their peers, or be open about it and get labeled a maverick or worse.

It's a real shame, because there have been some very interesting anomalous events happening over the last century (and possibly longer).

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

I have no interest in stupid aliens. If Roswell was true they would have to be reeruned aliens. No thanks we have a bumper crop here.

Maybe they came from a planet with no wind and had never encountered it or designed for it.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Maybe they came from a planet with no wind and had never encountered it or designed for it.

Yet their rocket ships could travel. 6,000,000,000,000,000 miles in a relatively short period of time only to crash here? Bring me the smart aliens I'm sorry.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Yet their rocket ships could travel. 6,000,000,000,000,000 miles in a relatively short period of time only to crash here? Bring me the smart aliens I'm sorry.

Shhhhhhh. You're going to upset them!

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Yet their rocket ships could travel. 6,000,000,000,000,000 miles in a relatively short period of time only to crash here? Bring me the smart aliens I'm sorry.

But there's no wind in space. Wind is a game changer if you're not used to it.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

But there's no wind in space. Wind is a game changer if you're not used to it.

Every planet has wind, every star has wind, every solar system has solar wind. Stupid aliens.

[lcarus]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Yet their rocket ships could travel. 6,000,000,000,000,000 miles in a relatively short period of time only to crash here? Bring me the smart aliens I'm sorry.

It's not their fault those damn crafts only get 12,000,000,000 miles per gallon. Shoulda got the hybrid over the gas guzzlin SUUFO.

[Dinny Bossa Nova]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

I have no interest in stupid aliens. If Roswell was true they would have to be reeruned aliens. No thanks we have a bumper crop here.

They could have dropped a tie rod. You could be the smartest alien in your galaxy, but you still can't steer your spacecraft when you drop a tie rod.

Dinny