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I got an MBA without a business related undergrad (BS computer science). You just have to take some leveling courses. I got to skip all the math (business calc, stats) ones and the rest were easy (econ, accounting, and blaw).
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06-17-2014, 04:11 PM | #93 | |
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Even then, what's the point? If I do that and get an MBA I'd be 30 with no work experience beyond freelance writing.
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*if you have the money
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06-17-2014, 04:16 PM | #95 |
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They use online forums for discussions between students. These are also used in traditional classes as another feature.
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Yes, it's very valuable. They love six sigma and lean folks because they can readily identify areas to cut cost and improve productivity. They generate lots of savings.
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Yes, been working in telecommunications since 2002. Yes, current employer reimbursed for classes. Also a nice bump in salary. Didn't really learn much, most was a breeze since this was all familiar territory for me. Not really. Any kind of IT/Network/Telecommunications jobs look for job experience more than anything. Then usually education & certs. As long as you know your shit, your fine. If you try to BS in the technical interview, they will just LOL at you. |
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B.F. A. Bachelor of Fine Arts degree which is normally 4 years but can take longer due to the amount of studio course work required.
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Degree is not absolutely needed in my field--talent including good ideas and experience is valued more. If you can do the work and have a good "book" you will be hired. I think having some education or training in it does help though. I can't stand designers who format type incorrectly or only know "programs." I think an Art Director with a college degree is better rounded too. Some places want it, others don't care. It depends. I've done work for Disney, Converse ( when it was around) Reebok, other show manufacturers, Holiday Inns and many other large, medium and small companies. I've done international packaging and even work used at the Olympics. I got these because I was decent at sales. Had to learn how to run a small business by the seat of my pants and the school of hard knocks. The pay was excellent when I was doing it a lot more. Now I take in what I want, and plan on manufacturing my own design products. Just waiting for Obama to be out of office. I got this idea after hearing what the Creative Director at division of Disney thought I was the best at. So it will be that. But I will market test it first. Quote:
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Discuss Thrower--if you've been a copywriter you can just expand on that on your own and get into a good situation.
In fact, my daughter visited large agencies in Chicago for a field trip with an ad group at her school. She was consistently told by people in the creative and even the non-creative depts that they did not have degrees in advertising. Those in creative said -- good ideas, talent and a good "book" is what are needed. |
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Going back to school in order to fill one of those positions, or something similar, made absolutely zero ****ing sense to me. I know two guys who went back and got their Master's and filled the two positions where I'm located. Their pay is crap, there is no moving up the ladder, you are what you are until you're tired of it, or die. **** that. I still haven't figured out what I want to be when I grow up. They can put it on my tombstone for all I care. |
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Which is beyond stupid.
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I've debated working for free at any of the agencies in town as an intern, but again, I don't have experience so I doubt that will get me in the door.
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I had that problem after graduation because my portfolio didn't have graphic design samples in it but illustration. I had some of those classes in college of art I attended but my portfolio was illustration heavy. I got work from publishers but there wasn't enough of it unless I went to New York or got a rep who took on lots of other illustrators. And the pay wasn't as much as advertising and promotion paid. Anyway, I decided I liked the job the art director had at the publishing houses more. Because they came up with the main ideas or concepts. I picked up one other needed course and offered my services free to the restaurant where I waitressed during school and after for a short while. That got me introduced to their printer, who gave me work. And then they opened up more restaurants too. So then they started paying me. One thing just led to the other and I was in business learning on the job. I also read design material too. I had to pound a lot of pavement for awhile but it paid off eventually. I even was hired to teach at my alma mater and other places based on portfolio and experience. After, I offered free services I took a marketing course. I negotiated with printers to sell me the "overs" and I mailed them out as samples with a cover letter by phasing how many I sent out so I could do follow up sales calls, soon after. That worked really well. Then I opened a small space across from a PR firm and they used me too. You just have to make those connections. Then they start to steamroll. That's how I did it. |
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Also, you have to come right out and ask for the order. So many sales people don't even do that.
Just get out there and talk to people, find out what they need and deliver that. If you can learn to sell, it will make you a better copywriter. David Ogilvy sold vacuum cleaners door to door for a while. He later became a millionaire in advertising. |
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