Is the shine on Andy Reid already tarnished a bit?

[Rexx]

I am still reeling from one of the worst Chief losses in history and I've seen most of them as a fan of 30 years. I like to think I've got pretty good intuition and here is my worry...

It was nice to see Andy Reid turn the ship around so quickly. I don't think any of us envisioned such a quick turnaround, restoring hope to the fan base and putting people in the seats. That being said, I'm concerned that Reid could likely loose control of this ship pretty quickly if things don't progress from this point.

1. Reid obviously has little understanding of clock management. Yes, we heard that from Philly fans...but witnessing it first hand takes any of the doubt away. Up 28, he needs to attempt to burn some clock to limit the Indy possessions. Many issues throughout the season...there has to be someone who can help him with this.

2. He is extremely loyal to his players and assistant coaches. Because of that, we will likely not see any changes to the staff as he has already mentioned. Sorry Reid, but after that kind of meltdown and getting trashed by national media, a change to the defensive coordinator position should be made. Being stuck with Sutton for the next several years is not going to take us to the next level. As mentioned numerous times on this forum, Sutton is unwilling to make changes or bring pressure when needed...he coaches scared! And it appears Reid will allow this to continue as he had 8 weeks to help change it and did not. NOT A GOOD SIGN AT ALL.

3. Reid has always been known as a "players" coach. He doesn't lay blame and players seems to like that. However, I question his ability to motivate his players especially on the defensive side of the ball. You never see any of the coaching staff show much emotion nor the players. Andy sits back staring at his play calling chart and that's about it. Maybe he has a few of the Marty speeches down, but I don't see it on the field. I also know this was a concern in Philly as he didn't always hold his players accountable when looking at results and effort aka Kendrick Lewis.

4. His general lack of commitment to the run. I'm all for passing as it's a passing league. However, when 1st and goal on the 4 yard line...run the damn ball. GEEZ.

I hope I'm wrong, but these issues are pretty alarming and makes me question if Reid is the long term answer even though he won 11 games this year. Things are going to get tougher...he needs to improve or he will sink eventually. My 2 cents.....

I'm starting to think we should have looked at a young, up and coming coach instead of a retread with proven faults. Some may say this is an overreaction coming one day after a playoff loss...but these things have been apparent for the last 8 games. Anyone else feel this way?

[ViperVisor]

Don't listen to the talking head idiots.

The clock was burning well enough. Not many incompletions. 1 was a 3rd and 5 not caught by Bowe. AJ and Dexter with no awareness running out of bounds.

From the 2nd half kickoff to the lead lost under 5 min.

KC 14 minutes, 54 seconds of possession
INDY 10 minutes, 30 seconds of possession

The problem is 90% the defense barfing all over themselves.
35 Points allowed in 10 and a half min.

The defense was not tired. All the TV timeouts and injury timeouts. They were only on the field 20 minutes the entire game before the Colts kneel down victory formations.

[Anyong Bluth]

2-14

11-5 - really 12-4.

This is ****ing stupid.

[Sandy Vagina]

Not so much about Reid, but the game itself...

The score is 45-44 and there is just over 2 minutes left. Two very nice Smith to Bowe connections... and Knile run, and KC is just inside the short 40 yd line. It is 2nd and 7..

The play intended is to be a WR screen to McC.

First major issue.. Stephenson at RT barely gets a hand on the 2 pt stance rusher coming around the edge... he turned back inside to help against the DL, but there was zero need for that, as Sherman stepped in front of him.

Second issue... Jeff Allen at LG completely leaves the DE alone on the other side, because he wants to run straight our to potentially block for the WR screen YAC. Free rush up the LG gap and essentially a free rush around the RT edge...

Yes, this was the intentional grounding call... which for all we can tell, Alex is trying to throw the ball somewhere legit.. but the sandwiched hits on him allowed for the ball to go wildly out of bounds.

terrible decision from the RT to barely touch the standup rusher.... terrible decision from LG to not make any contact with the DL before running out wide...

oops... never mind on the underlined... looks now like Alex did make the throw just prior to any contact altering the pass location...

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

The play intended is to be a WR screen to McC.

I have to add the McC ran the play like you would during warm ups.

He goes up sets up the cut and then does a cut. He should be going directly across the field because the throwing lane is going to be inside of the DE not outside.

The play sort of worked and there was a throwing lane but there was no McCluster to receive the pass.
Smith has no way to throw it at the ground near him. A Colts defender is screening off any sight of him.

[GoChargers]

No offense, but I've long thought of Reid as the new Marty - someone who can turn around a struggling franchise and instill a winning mentality in the regular season, but is too flawed as a coach to get them over the hump to a Super Bowl win. Reid is what KC needed this year, but it could very well take another head coach to build on what Reid's started and deliver that elusive playoff win.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Not so much about Reid, but the game itself...

The score is 45-44 and there is just over 2 minutes left. Two very nice Smith to Bowe connections... and Knile run, and KC is just inside the short 40 yd line. It is 2nd and 7..

The play intended is to be a WR screen to McC.

First major issue.. Stephenson at RT barely gets a hand on the 2 pt stance rusher coming around the edge... he turned back inside to help against the DL, but there was zero need for that, as Sherman stepped in front of him.

Second issue... Jeff Allen at LG completely leaves the DE alone on the other side, because he wants to run straight our to potentially block for the WR screen YAC. Free rush up the LG gap and essentially a free rush around the RT edge...

Yes, this was the intentional grounding call... which for all we can tell, Alex is trying to throw the ball somewhere legit.. but the sandwiched hits on him allowed for the ball to go wildly out of bounds.

terrible decision from the RT to barely touch the standup rusher.... terrible decision from LG to not make any contact with the DL before running out wide...

oops... never mind on the underlined... looks now like Alex did make the throw just prior to any contact altering the pass location...

Robert Mathis is just way better than any lineman that we have/threw it him. Nobody on the Chiefs can block him.

The other guy running in free was that stupid MLBer they have from the CFL. He's not even good, he just runs a 4.5. his job was to blitz and run sideline to sideline and cover the flats. Cause he's fast enough.

That's all the NFL pass defenses are today, find a MLB that can run a sub 4.5 and have him out there for pass coverage. That's it.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

I have to add the McC ran the play like you would during warm ups.

He goes up sets up the cut and then does a cut. He should be cutting directly across because the throwing lane is going to be inside of the DE not outside.

The play sort of worked and there was a throwing lane but there was no McCluster to receive the pass.

good addition...

There were 2 or 3 plays where I was baffled while seeing McC make a catch and go straight out of bounds. I mean, WTF? is this not the postseason? any good reason for heading straight out of bounds and not picking up as much as possible. I get that sometimes, clock needs to stop.. but these were not such plays.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

Robert Mathis is just way better than any lineman that we have/threw it him. Nobody on the Chiefs can block him.

The other guy running in free was that stupid MLBer they have from the CFL. He's not even good, he just runs a 4.5. his job was to blitz and run sideline to sideline and cover the flats. Cause he's fast enough.

That's all the NFL pass defenses are today, find a MLB that can run a sub 4.5 and have him out there for pass coverage. That's it.

well... I hear that. Guess my point was.. RT simply HAS to stay on the rusher that's free and not turn inside to block a DL that is being blocked already. That, and the LG simply HAS to make contact with the incoming rusher before running out wide.. take his momentum away.. or said rusher will get to the QB quickly enough to blow the play up.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

well... I hear that. Guess my point was.. RT simply HAS to stay on the rusher that's free and not turn inside to block a DL that is being blocked already. That, and the LG simply HAS to make contact with the incoming rusher before running out wide.. take his momentum away.. or said rusher will get to the QB quickly enough to blow the play up.

that's the difference, Greg Manusky knew his secondary was terrible/injured so he kept blitzing

Bob Sutton, well he was just shitting in his depends clueless.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

that's the difference, Greg Manusky knew his secondary was terrible/injured so he kept blitzing

Bob Sutton, well he was just shitting in his depends clueless.

Hold up...........

Wait, never mind. Spot on. SPOT, EFFING ON.

[Easy 6]

I don't always agree with mcaj, but when I do... its with that post.

Stay pissed off, my friends.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

If Smith connects with Gray you don't think the outcome is different?

44 points on the road and its Smiths fault

Keep ****ing that monkey.

[notorious]

This loss will be a shit-stain on his career in KC unless he wins and wins big in the future.

[FringeNC]

Andy Reid is what he is -- an above average NFL head coach whose strength is getting QBs to play better than they have elsewhere. Reid will have us in the playoffs consistently, but jfc after that loss, who can confidence this franchise will ever win a playoff game. Cursed. Only one of the 4 playoff games over the weekend wasn't essentially determined by luck, and we always lose those type games in the playoffs not matter who is coach.

Andy Reid isn't a perfect coach, but who is? I think he's found the type of QB he has always wanted, and he has a 5-6 year window to win with the guy.

[ViperVisor]

Ooops posted in the wrong thread.