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Old 08-12-2014, 02:41 PM   #1
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I don't think he was saying it's okay to kill yourself, but rather that depression can sometimes prevent a person's mind from working in any rational, understandable way. It's funny, but sometimes suicide is almost romanticized, like it's the desperate choice of someone who just couldn't take it any more, some calculated decision to end their own suffering or put themselves out of their misery. I think it's probably more impulsive than that at least some of the time, even for people who leave notes, a completely senseless or thoughtless act by someone with a diseased mind

Then again I don't know for sure. I'm very familiar with depression... But I've never had suicidal tendencies.
I fully understand that.

I understand that the constant pain and suffering leads many people to convince themselves everyone will be better off, which isn't true. It's you slowly justifying your actions because you're tired of suffering.

Just because you love someone that does something very wrong doesn't make it less wrong. It doesn't mean you love them less. And it's a horrible situation to stick a family member in...
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Old 08-12-2014, 03:06 PM   #2
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I understand that the constant pain and suffering leads many people to convince themselves everyone will be better off, which isn't true. It's you slowly justifying your actions because you're tired of suffering.
You're still thinking about this like a rational person. This is clinical/major depression we're talking about here, not just somebody having a bad day, feeling down and deciding they can't take it anymore.

Basically you're trying to make sense out of something that just doesn't make sense. Somebody who commits suicide because of this kind of depression doesn't think like you think. They can't think like you, unless they're being treated. And sometimes not even then.

This is actually one of the bigger issues in the country right now. Mental health, that is. Some of it isn't stuff you can just tough guy your way though.
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Old 08-12-2014, 04:37 PM   #3
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You're still thinking about this like a rational person. This is clinical/major depression we're talking about here, not just somebody having a bad day, feeling down and deciding they can't take it anymore.

Basically you're trying to make sense out of something that just doesn't make sense. Somebody who commits suicide because of this kind of depression doesn't think like you think. They can't think like you, unless they're being treated. And sometimes not even then.

This is actually one of the bigger issues in the country right now. Mental health, that is. Some of it isn't stuff you can just tough guy your way though.
This will be my last comment on this because quite honestly I'd prefer to focus on more positive and entertaining things on my day off.

Many posters responding to me seem to have the opinion that I'm ignorant of depression/bipolar disorder or have no experience with it.

Quite the opposite. I'm not going to get into a pissing contest over who's pain is greater or "true fan" arguments over mental health.

I'm not saying depression isn't real, isn't serious, or isn't dangerous. Quite the opposite - and frankly I think the almost forgiving attitude towards suicide is dangerous itself.

I'm saying not everyone, or even most people, that get it kill themselves. Death is not the definitive outcome to this illness...
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Old 08-12-2014, 05:55 PM   #4
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This will be my last comment on this because quite honestly I'd prefer to focus on more positive and entertaining things on my day off.

Many posters responding to me seem to have the opinion that I'm ignorant of depression/bipolar disorder or have no experience with it.

Quite the opposite. I'm not going to get into a pissing contest over who's pain is greater or "true fan" arguments over mental health.

I'm not saying depression isn't real, isn't serious, or isn't dangerous. Quite the opposite - and frankly I think the almost forgiving attitude towards suicide is dangerous itself.

I'm saying not everyone, or even most people, that get it kill themselves. Death is not the definitive outcome to this illness...
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:05 PM   #5
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This will be my last comment on this because quite honestly I'd prefer to focus on more positive and entertaining things on my day off.

Many posters responding to me seem to have the opinion that I'm ignorant of depression/bipolar disorder or have no experience with it.

Quite the opposite. I'm not going to get into a pissing contest over who's pain is greater or "true fan" arguments over mental health.

I'm not saying depression isn't real, isn't serious, or isn't dangerous. Quite the opposite - and frankly I think the almost forgiving attitude towards suicide is dangerous itself.

I'm saying not everyone, or even most people, that get it kill themselves. Death is not the definitive outcome to this illness...
Damn right. Anyone with a lick of sense can see the danger you point out. If we continue to show sympathy for sick people who commit suicide, pretty soon healthy people will want to try it too.
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:20 PM   #6
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Damn right. Anyone with a lick of sense can see the danger you point out. If we continue to show sympathy for sick people who commit suicide, pretty soon healthy people will want to try it too.

That's just utterly ridiculous.
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That's just utterly ridiculous.
Yes. It truly is.
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Damn right. Anyone with a lick of sense can see the danger you point out. If we continue to show sympathy for sick people who commit suicide, pretty soon healthy people will want to try it too.
I don't see anything wrong with it. Not everyone is strong and can make it.
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You're still thinking about this like a rational person. This is clinical/major depression we're talking about here, not just somebody having a bad day, feeling down and deciding they can't take it anymore.
If the brain is broke, how can it make correct decisions? Truly understand a thing? Make good rational decisions?
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You're still thinking about this like a rational person. This is clinical/major depression we're talking about here, not just somebody having a bad day, feeling down and deciding they can't take it anymore.

Basically you're trying to make sense out of something that just doesn't make sense. Somebody who commits suicide because of this kind of depression doesn't think like you think. They can't think like you, unless they're being treated. And sometimes not even then.

This is actually one of the bigger issues in the country right now. Mental health, that is. Some of it isn't stuff you can just tough guy your way though.
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