Talking Draft Prospects - Page 6

Direckshun · 08:24 PM

We've got perhaps the biggest, most consequential draft coming up for this franchise since 2008. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks, and will certainly be picking up an additional four in compensatory picks, one of which is assuredly a 3rd rounder.

As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed late rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks we normally wouldn't talk about, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the mid- and lower-round ones.

The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until May.

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OldSchool · 10-03-2014, 04:54 PM

And he has been steadily around 5 sacks a year after his rookie season. Also played 16 games a year since he missed pretty much all of his rookie season too.

O.city · 10-03-2014, 09:11 PM

Buy low on Odrick, but I think Bailey is blossoming.

OldSchool · 10-03-2014, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Buy low on Odrick, but I think Bailey is blossoming.

Bailey has all of 5 tackles on the year and 1 sack, he's hardly blossoming. That's across 201 snaps or 81% of the total defensive snaps.

Jaye Howard has 6 tackles on 31.5% of the defensive snaps (78 total).

Vance Walker has 2 tackles and a sack on 31 total snaps.

Kevin Vickerson has 2 tackles on 22 snaps.

Poe has 10 tackles with 1.5 sacks on 216 snaps.

I'd take Odrick over Bailey, Howard, Walker, or Vickerson to start at 5-tech for us any day. He'd be a welcome upgrade, IMO.

staylor26 · 10-04-2014, 01:54 AM

When it comes to who's stays who goes in the offseason I see DJ, DeVito, Bowe and maybe Hali being gone. Hopefully we can work something out with Hali though and I'm sure we will try because he clearly has a good 3 years left in the tank.

I think Hudson, Smith and Houston will stay. We will obviously tag Houston if we can't get a deal done, but we must get him signed long term. Not sure what happens with Bailey.

I definitely agree on Odrick. I'd cut DeVito and sign him. If we can get Bailey back for a good price re-sign him also. If not we are fine with Odrick, Cat, Vickerson, Howard and Walker.

At ILB, I don't see any reason to try to upgrade over JMJ. His coverage ability makes him a very valuable every down LB and he's not bad against the run. Already an above average starter.

As for the other ILB spot I like Ramik Wilson from Georgia in the 2nd round. Or Denzel Perryman (Miami) if he were somehow available. Both guys can play all 3 downs and would make a good pairing next to JMJ with their downhill style of play.

Devin Funchess in the 1st would be best case scenario where we'll likely be picking. Him Kelce and Harris would give NFL DC's nightmares. Bowe being cut and drafting Funchess seems like a Dorsey move.

Another guy I find very intriguing Stefon Diggs out of Maryland. I think he'd be a great fit for Reid's offense and give us the type of explosive WR we've been lacking. Just don't know if he'll be a early-mid first.

After the first 2 rounds I'm thinking CB depth (I love Gaines so not as concerned as most) OL depth, another WR and more high upside Dorsey picks.

Direckshun · 10-04-2014, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Bailey has all of 5 tackles on the year and 1 sack, he's hardly blossoming. That's across 201 snaps or 81% of the total defensive snaps.

Jaye Howard has 6 tackles on 31.5% of the defensive snaps (78 total).

Vance Walker has 2 tackles and a sack on 31 total snaps.

Kevin Vickerson has 2 tackles on 22 snaps.

Poe has 10 tackles with 1.5 sacks on 216 snaps.

I'd take Odrick over Bailey, Howard, Walker, or Vickerson to start at 5-tech for us any day. He'd be a welcome upgrade, IMO.

This is just a shit way of evaluating DL. You do NOT do it by tackles and sacks (unless it's a passrusher), you evaluate it by play disruption.

Bailey is disrupting the LOS far more than Jackson or Dorsey ever did in the 3-4.

Direckshun · 10-04-2014, 10:14 AM

RB Todd Gurley, Georgia -- Take a walk down imagination lane with me for a moment, close your eyes, and wonder in the deepest depths of your subconscious what it would have been like if Larry Johnson ever truly gave a shit? You would have had a 6'1", 230+ lbs running back who can not only run, but can block, go a few extra yards, and know how to use that big body to his advantage. In fact, you'd probably get Todd Gurley. I was shocked, after watching his tape, to learn that Gurley was 230 lbs. Gurley looks like he's 210 lbs, and he has those beautiful, long strides that eat up space. He has considerably less jukeage in his game than LJ did, but his acceleration might be even better. He's a three down back, as well, because he can receive well and block very well. Gurley shows plenty of patience in setting up blocks and letting the play develop, but he can hit a hole decisively without ever slowing down. I'd like to say he's a Top 10 talent, but he's probably worth going in the teens since he's not going to make a lot of people miss in the open field -- his change-of-direction is average, if not below average. He's not the directional pinball that Jamaal Charles is or even that Larry Johnson was. But he is a complete three down back that's NFL ready, having played in Georgia's pro-style offense.

Direckshun · 10-04-2014, 11:03 AM

QB Brett Hundley, UCLA -- Hundley is a true bang-bust prospect at QB, and an intriguing one at that. This is a guy who has good size at 6'3", 220 lbs, and tons of arm. His game, at its peak, looks a lot like Alex Smith's: he plays it safe, is risk-averse, would rather take a sack than risk a throw, and has good (not great) athleticism for scrambling. He prefers wide open receivers, and will refuse to throw to most any risky, contested situation. This is troublesome at UCLA -- his offensive weapons are very limited, and his offensive line looks downright terrible. But Hundley still wins, playing a calm, collected style of play that you have to describe as game managing. Hundley, however, plays a simple one-read offense at UCLA, and will need at least a couple years of grooming in the NFL -- he's not someone you can plug in right away like Bortles. And his worst flaw is his throwing motion -- it looks like a half-release, not-quite-sidearm that isn't very high, which ends up getting tipped quite a bit. He is going to need lots of mechanics work in the NFL. Still, his arm, his athleticism, and his toughness will appeal to lots of coaches, and someone will take a flyer on the project. I'm grading him as a 3rd round investment, but someone could jump on him as soon as the 1st if they think he can pick up an NFL offense and fix his mechanics quickly.

Direckshun · 10-04-2014, 11:34 AM

DE/OLB Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida -- I absolutely love watching Fowler play, but there is no question he has a long ways to go. Fowler's measurables are all over the place online -- he's universally regarded as 6'3", but his weight is listed anywhere from 260 to almost 280. Watching his tape this year, he looks like a trim, athletic 260. Fowler's forte is obvious to anybody watching any tape on him: the guy penetrates. He does an outstanding job getting into the backfield, and forces even the best offensive lines he faces to constantly double- and triple-team him to keep him neutralized. As a result, his sack numbers are pretty puny. It's doubtful that NFL offenses will be able to double-team him with any frequency, however, so it's likely a team will look at him as early as the 1st round. He does need to work on his fundamentals: his tackling is atrocious (it has cost him several sacks and TFLs over the past two years), and he does struggle at the point of attack against the run. There are questions if he can play the OLB position, but he looks hella fast and I think he's perfectly able to do it with some grooming. And perhaps most damning, there are questions about how well he responds to coaching -- the Florida coaches have a term called the Dante Fowler Way, which means if Dante doesn't see the results from doing things his coaches' way, he'll start freelancing. In the right situation, with the right locker room leadership, and the right longterm coaching, I think Fowler could be a major sack artist in the NFL. But who's willing to take that gamble, and where? I'd consider him in the 2nd round if I thought I had a locker room and staff that could handle him.

kc79 · 10-04-2014, 11:38 AM

What do you guys think about Goodley from Baylor. Plays in a spread offense has good speed

Direckshun · 10-04-2014, 11:40 AM

Oh, I adore Goodley. He's one of my favorite players in the draft.

I love how he's put together. He's got good hands, and can be a YAC monster. I'm a big fan.

**the Talking Can** · 10-06-2014, 06:18 AM

post 49er thoughts:

our offense has no vertical dimension...maybe it's wasted on Alex Smith, but we have got to get a WR w/ speed...we never get the lottery ticket big plays because we never even try them

game confirmed my belief that DL needs help...Bailey had a couple good plays, but most were cleaning up after powe wrecked shit, and we have no physicality against run on the edges

OldSchool · 10-06-2014, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

post 49er thoughts:

our offense has no vertical dimension...maybe it's wasted on Alex Smith, but we have got to get a WR w/ speed...we never get the lottery ticket big plays because we never even try them

game confirmed my belief that DL needs help...Bailey had a couple good plays, but most were cleaning up after powe wrecked shit, and we have no physicality against run on the edges

Smith can make the throws. The timing just hasn't been there for anyone but Bowe and they haven't tried much since the Titans game due to poor pass protection on anything that required a 7 step drop.

Guarantee you that after the BYE, we're going to see a few seam routes to Kelce and DAT will definitely get more touches in the passing game.

Discuss Thrower · 10-06-2014, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

post 49er thoughts:

our offense has no vertical dimension...maybe it's wasted on Alex Smith, but we have got to get a WR w/ speed...we never get the lottery ticket big plays because we never even try them

game confirmed my belief that DL needs help...Bailey had a couple good plays, but most were cleaning up after powe wrecked shit, and we have no physicality against run on the edges

There's absolutely no reason to invest in any sort of bona fide #1 WR with Alex Smith on the roster. None.

Go look at Crabtree's numbers with Smith versus with Kaepernick.

If Smith is your quarterback then you have to invest in OL to make him feel comfortable in the pocket, find a TE that's a clone of Vernon Davis and RBs with a Jamaal Charles or Brian Westbrook skillset.

Saccopoo · 10-09-2014, 08:23 PM

After watching the Utah/UCLA game, I'm not so sure about Hundley for the next level. Big and strong, he's more of a Rothlisberger than a Smith. Takes a tremendous amount of sacks at the college level (Utah racked him up for NINE!) and that's not going to get any easier at the pro level.

Really doesn't go through progressions well and locks onto guys. That's part system, but he just doesn't move his eyes around even when pressure gets to him.

Determined team leader with personality.

Good arm, but the ball often floats.

It's not really his mechanics (his footwork looked pretty good and his throwing motion was okay), he just doesn't have very good awareness in the pocket and that's going to be a huge detriment at the next level.

Direckshun · 10-10-2014, 12:55 AM

RB Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin -- Every year I try to peg who I think could be the next Jamaal Charles, and I think Gordon's it this year. Gordon lacks Charles' top-end speed, and doesn't quite have Charles' elite change-of-direction, but he hits his top gear in a crazy hurry, and can slip through the slightest cracks in the offensive line to reliably pick up really good yardage with every carry. Gordon doesn't quite have the toughness you need in an every-down back, but neither did Jamaal when he came into the league. Gordon is absolutely perfect for zone blocking and cutback schemes that allow him to pick his hole and explode through it. He's shown next to nothing as a receiver, due largely to Wisconsin's offensive limitations, but there's no reason he couldn't develop as a skilled receiver as well. Gordon has flashed as a superbly talented backup in Wisconsin's elite running program, and is just now getting a chance to flash his full potential. If his tape against LSU is any indication, it could legitimately be sky high. As of now, he's my favorite RB in this draft.

09-24-2014, 02:22 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Talking Draft Prospects We've got perhaps the biggest, most consequential draft coming up for this franchise since 2008. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks, and will certainly be picking up an additional four in compensatory picks, one of which is assuredly a 3rd rounder. As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed late rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks we normally wouldn't talk about, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the mid- and lower-round ones. The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until May. Spoiler! QB Marcus Mariota, Oregon Jameis Winston, Florida State Brett Hundley, UCLA Connor Cook, Michigan State RB Todd Gurley, Georgia Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska Mike Davis, South Carolina T.J. Yeldon, Alabama Tevin Coleman, Indiana Duke Johnson, Miami Jay Ajayi, Boise State FB WR Sammie Coates, Auburn Amari Cooper, Alabama Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma Ty Montgomery, Stanford Kevin White, West Virginia DeVante Parker, Louisville Jaelen Strong, Arizona State Josh Harper, Fresno State Breshad Perriman, Central Florida Devin Smith, Ohio State Rashad Greene, Florida State TE Devin Funchess, Michigan Maxx Williams, Minnesota OT Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M Brandon Schwerff, Iowa Andrus Peat, Stanford La'el Collins, LSU Spencer Drango, Baylor Ereck Flowers, Miami Cameron Erving, Florida State T.J. Clemmings, Pittsburgh Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State Jake Fisher, Oregon OG La'el Collins, LSU A.J. McCann, South Carolina Cameron Erving, Florida State Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State Josue Matias, Florida State Laken Tomlinson, Duke C Cameron Erving, Florida State Reese Dismukes, Auburn NT Danny Shelton, Washington Eddie Goldman, Florida State Malcom Brown, Texas Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma 4-3 DT and/or 3-4 DE Leonard Williams, USC Michael Bennett, Ohio State Mario Edwards, Jr., Florida State Malcom Brown, Texas Arik Armstead, Oregon Carl Davis, Iowa 4-3 DE Randy Gregory, Nebraska Shilique Calhoun, Michigan State Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida Shawn Oakman, Baylor Bronson Kaufusi, BYU Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Nate Orchard, Utah Owamagbe Odighizuwa, UCLA Danielle Hunter, LSU 3-4 OLB Randy Gregory, Nebraska Vic Beasley, Clemson Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida Shayne Ray, Missouri Bronson Kaufusi, BYU Lorenzo Maudlin, Louisville Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Nate Orchard, Utah Hau'oli Kikaha, Washington Eli Harold, Virginia Danielle Hunter, LSU 4-3 OLB/WILB Vic Beasley, Clemson Shaq Thompson, Washington Paul Dawson, TCU MLB/SILB Bernardrick McKinney, Mississippi State Denzel Perryman, Miami Eric Kendricks, UCLA CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomo, Oregon P.J. Williams, Florida State Marcus Peters, Washington Trae Waynes, Michigan State Jalen Collins, LSU Alex Carter, Stanford Quentin Rollins, Miami (OH) Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest SS Landon Collins, Alabama Anthony Harris, Virginia FS Gerod Holliman, Louisville K P Last edited by Direckshun; 03-04-2015 at 08:24 PM..
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10-03-2014, 04:54 PM	#76
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10-03-2014, 09:11 PM	#77
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10-04-2014, 01:54 AM	#79
staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $-2040960	When it comes to who's stays who goes in the offseason I see DJ, DeVito, Bowe and maybe Hali being gone. Hopefully we can work something out with Hali though and I'm sure we will try because he clearly has a good 3 years left in the tank. I think Hudson, Smith and Houston will stay. We will obviously tag Houston if we can't get a deal done, but we must get him signed long term. Not sure what happens with Bailey. I definitely agree on Odrick. I'd cut DeVito and sign him. If we can get Bailey back for a good price re-sign him also. If not we are fine with Odrick, Cat, Vickerson, Howard and Walker. At ILB, I don't see any reason to try to upgrade over JMJ. His coverage ability makes him a very valuable every down LB and he's not bad against the run. Already an above average starter. As for the other ILB spot I like Ramik Wilson from Georgia in the 2nd round. Or Denzel Perryman (Miami) if he were somehow available. Both guys can play all 3 downs and would make a good pairing next to JMJ with their downhill style of play. Devin Funchess in the 1st would be best case scenario where we'll likely be picking. Him Kelce and Harris would give NFL DC's nightmares. Bowe being cut and drafting Funchess seems like a Dorsey move. Another guy I find very intriguing Stefon Diggs out of Maryland. I think he'd be a great fit for Reid's offense and give us the type of explosive WR we've been lacking. Just don't know if he'll be a early-mid first. After the first 2 rounds I'm thinking CB depth (I love Gaines so not as concerned as most) OL depth, another WR and more high upside Dorsey picks.
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10-04-2014, 10:14 AM	#81
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	RB Todd Gurley, Georgia -- Take a walk down imagination lane with me for a moment, close your eyes, and wonder in the deepest depths of your subconscious what it would have been like if Larry Johnson ever truly gave a shit? You would have had a 6'1", 230+ lbs running back who can not only run, but can block, go a few extra yards, and know how to use that big body to his advantage. In fact, you'd probably get Todd Gurley. I was shocked, after watching his tape, to learn that Gurley was 230 lbs. Gurley looks like he's 210 lbs, and he has those beautiful, long strides that eat up space. He has considerably less jukeage in his game than LJ did, but his acceleration might be even better. He's a three down back, as well, because he can receive well and block very well. Gurley shows plenty of patience in setting up blocks and letting the play develop, but he can hit a hole decisively without ever slowing down. I'd like to say he's a Top 10 talent, but he's probably worth going in the teens since he's not going to make a lot of people miss in the open field -- his change-of-direction is average, if not below average. He's not the directional pinball that Jamaal Charles is or even that Larry Johnson was. But he is a complete three down back that's NFL ready, having played in Georgia's pro-style offense.
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10-04-2014, 11:03 AM	#82
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	QB Brett Hundley, UCLA -- Hundley is a true bang-bust prospect at QB, and an intriguing one at that. This is a guy who has good size at 6'3", 220 lbs, and tons of arm. His game, at its peak, looks a lot like Alex Smith's: he plays it safe, is risk-averse, would rather take a sack than risk a throw, and has good (not great) athleticism for scrambling. He prefers wide open receivers, and will refuse to throw to most any risky, contested situation. This is troublesome at UCLA -- his offensive weapons are very limited, and his offensive line looks downright terrible. But Hundley still wins, playing a calm, collected style of play that you have to describe as game managing. Hundley, however, plays a simple one-read offense at UCLA, and will need at least a couple years of grooming in the NFL -- he's not someone you can plug in right away like Bortles. And his worst flaw is his throwing motion -- it looks like a half-release, not-quite-sidearm that isn't very high, which ends up getting tipped quite a bit. He is going to need lots of mechanics work in the NFL. Still, his arm, his athleticism, and his toughness will appeal to lots of coaches, and someone will take a flyer on the project. I'm grading him as a 3rd round investment, but someone could jump on him as soon as the 1st if they think he can pick up an NFL offense and fix his mechanics quickly.
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10-04-2014, 11:34 AM	#83
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	DE/OLB Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida -- I absolutely love watching Fowler play, but there is no question he has a long ways to go. Fowler's measurables are all over the place online -- he's universally regarded as 6'3", but his weight is listed anywhere from 260 to almost 280. Watching his tape this year, he looks like a trim, athletic 260. Fowler's forte is obvious to anybody watching any tape on him: the guy penetrates. He does an outstanding job getting into the backfield, and forces even the best offensive lines he faces to constantly double- and triple-team him to keep him neutralized. As a result, his sack numbers are pretty puny. It's doubtful that NFL offenses will be able to double-team him with any frequency, however, so it's likely a team will look at him as early as the 1st round. He does need to work on his fundamentals: his tackling is atrocious (it has cost him several sacks and TFLs over the past two years), and he does struggle at the point of attack against the run. There are questions if he can play the OLB position, but he looks hella fast and I think he's perfectly able to do it with some grooming. And perhaps most damning, there are questions about how well he responds to coaching -- the Florida coaches have a term called the Dante Fowler Way, which means if Dante doesn't see the results from doing things his coaches' way, he'll start freelancing. In the right situation, with the right locker room leadership, and the right longterm coaching, I think Fowler could be a major sack artist in the NFL. But who's willing to take that gamble, and where? I'd consider him in the 2nd round if I thought I had a locker room and staff that could handle him.
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10-04-2014, 11:38 AM	#84
kc79 Starter Join Date: Jan 2013 Casino cash: $2635197	What do you guys think about Goodley from Baylor. Plays in a spread offense has good speed
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10-04-2014, 11:40 AM	#85
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Oh, I adore Goodley. He's one of my favorite players in the draft. I love how he's put together. He's got good hands, and can be a YAC monster. I'm a big fan.
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10-06-2014, 06:18 AM	#86
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9232208	post 49er thoughts: our offense has no vertical dimension...maybe it's wasted on Alex Smith, but we have got to get a WR w/ speed...we never get the lottery ticket big plays because we never even try them game confirmed my belief that DL needs help...Bailey had a couple good plays, but most were cleaning up after powe wrecked shit, and we have no physicality against run on the edges __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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10-09-2014, 08:23 PM	#89
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	After watching the Utah/UCLA game, I'm not so sure about Hundley for the next level. Big and strong, he's more of a Rothlisberger than a Smith. Takes a tremendous amount of sacks at the college level (Utah racked him up for NINE!) and that's not going to get any easier at the pro level. Really doesn't go through progressions well and locks onto guys. That's part system, but he just doesn't move his eyes around even when pressure gets to him. Determined team leader with personality. Good arm, but the ball often floats. It's not really his mechanics (his footwork looked pretty good and his throwing motion was okay), he just doesn't have very good awareness in the pocket and that's going to be a huge detriment at the next level.
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10-10-2014, 12:55 AM	#90
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	RB Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin -- Every year I try to peg who I think could be the next Jamaal Charles, and I think Gordon's it this year. Gordon lacks Charles' top-end speed, and doesn't quite have Charles' elite change-of-direction, but he hits his top gear in a crazy hurry, and can slip through the slightest cracks in the offensive line to reliably pick up really good yardage with every carry. Gordon doesn't quite have the toughness you need in an every-down back, but neither did Jamaal when he came into the league. Gordon is absolutely perfect for zone blocking and cutback schemes that allow him to pick his hole and explode through it. He's shown next to nothing as a receiver, due largely to Wisconsin's offensive limitations, but there's no reason he couldn't develop as a skilled receiver as well. Gordon has flashed as a superbly talented backup in Wisconsin's elite running program, and is just now getting a chance to flash his full potential. If his tape against LSU is any indication, it could legitimately be sky high. As of now, he's my favorite RB in this draft.
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