Talking Draft Prospects - Page 13

Direckshun · 08:24 PM

We've got perhaps the biggest, most consequential draft coming up for this franchise since 2008. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks, and will certainly be picking up an additional four in compensatory picks, one of which is assuredly a 3rd rounder.

As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed late rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks we normally wouldn't talk about, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the mid- and lower-round ones.

The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until May.

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Direckshun · 10-24-2014, 04:06 AM

OT Cameron Erving, Florida State -- Last year I went through several of the top tier offensive linemen, and Erving was one of them. He did not come out last year, and has had his ups and downs since. I still think he's got 1st round potential, but I think he's closer to going in the bottom of the 1st than near the top.

Here's what I said about him a year ago:

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think Cameron Erving has all the potential in the world, and if you've got absolute faith in your coaching staff, you take a shot on this guy.

He's just a really special awesome athlete for a guy his size (6'6", 310). He doesn't quite have Eric Fisher's fluid movement but I'd put him on par with Brandon Albert. It really wouldn't surprise me if Erving blew up into a Top 10 pick after the Combine. He looks like a perfect zone-blocking tackle.

That's his greatest strength and perhaps his greatest weakness? I don't know, he doesn't seem to explode in the blocking game like some of the other dudes do on this list. He blocks effectively against inferior competition, but it'll be interesting to see how he handles the bigger, stronger DL in the NFL, primarily when he's playing 3-4 defenses.

He's fast enough to handle the edge, but he'll give it up from time to time for a pretty simple reason: his kickslide. I think Erving has a pathetic kickslide, but I can't imagine that could be that hard to coach up, is it? His kickslide looks like he has two thick rubber bands holding his feet together, and it's a really odd contrast to compare that to how well he moves all over the field.

It's reported that Erving has great strength, but I don't see it anything above average there. He can hang with smaller defenders, and block them effectively, but he doesn't get a lot of push in the run game like you'd expect from somebody with his skillset...

My primary fear would be that Erving is a finesse player, and not a grind-it-out player. Which is great in some schemes that require more athleticism than Reid's, but as I've said (and will say) ad nauseum, Reid's scheme prefers bigger and badder. But then again, he's got all the tools. The question is: how much do you trust your coaches. My guess is somebody in the Top 20 picks will trust them enough.

Projection for Erving: As for all of these players, it's too early to project much seeing how the draft is almost half a year away, but whatever. Erving has Top 10 potential if he tests well, and 1st round potential even if he doesn't. He's just too good of an athlete, and too many teams prefer great athletes who need work on technique over technicians who aren't great athletes.

Projected Chiefs interest @ 23: Decently high. Dorsey has shown an affinity for drafting great athletic projects and trusts the Chiefs' coaches, as most teams do. He drafted Fisher, Kelce, Davis, and Commings in the earlier rounds, all players who need significant work from coaches. The problem, however, is that the Chiefs just drafted a super athletic finesse tackle in Fisher, and it's doubtful they want to go that exact route again -- no doubt they'd love a tougher, more powerful guy. But it's possible that with good coaching, Erving could be that guy.

kccrow · 10-25-2014, 10:20 PM

Take some notes on Ohio State's Joey Bosa (Sophomore). I'm thinking he'll end up declaring for the 2016 draft. Kid is a beast at defensive end.

Sandy Vagina · 10-26-2014, 09:37 AM

Hey Direckshun or other draft nuts..

Know anything about Washington LB Hau'oli Kikaha? Junior LB with plenty of size and impressive stats.

Maybe he could be a good DJ replacement for the future? +/or if KC does move on from Houston or Hali... this guy has the production and skills to be a good rush LB.

so the versatility could be very attractive in the 2nd/3rd rd.. maybe.

Sandy Vagina · 11-11-2014, 09:23 AM

Well okay then, lol.

Anyone know much about MLB Steven Daniels from BC ?

Looks like a Junior this year... 6' - 250--ish.
37 tackles, 1 INT, 7 tfl, 1.5 sacks

Very physical in run D and taking on blocks. Has some good blitz ability up the middle.. shows that he can even run with TEs on deep routes. For such a "thumper", BC seems to trust him in coverage.

Not at all sure where his value may end up come draft time.. but just maybe he can be a good option at ILB for Sutton.

RunKC · 11-11-2014, 10:10 AM

Looking at Trae Waynes today. If he's there I think we take him. Long, tall and fast like Gaines.
Basically the same type of player as Gaines, which we need more of, especially since Sean Smith has a big contract. Need to be ready to move on from him in a year or two.

I think WR could be had in rd 2 or 3 with how hard it is for rookies to learn it.

OldSchool · 11-13-2014, 05:30 PM

An update on Josh Shaw, very instinctive safety/CB prospect out of USC.

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Josh Shaw - DB - Trojans
USC redshirt senior CB Josh Shaw discussed his side of the tale/lie that led to two ankle injuries and a suspension from the football team.
It is not the Serial Podcast, but interesting nonetheless. The story begins with Shaw getting into a loud argument with his girlfriend of seven years. The two insist no physical violence occurred. Police were then at the scene of the argument after Shaw's girlfriend left, and to avoid cops Shaw jumped from the second story and was helped to safety by his brother since walking was so painful after hurting both ankles. Shaw then made up a lie about saving his nephew from drowning when talking with USC officials. The officials then released the story, since they knew they would be questioned about Shaw's injuries if he was seen on crutches or in a wheelchair. Shaw was then "in too deep" and did not expect his lie to go public, so he came clean along with USC receiving claims the story was false. The corner has yet to play for the Trojans this season, but head coach Steve Sarkisian has recently left the door open for a possible return.
Source: LA Times Nov 13 - 11:14 AM

OldSchool · 11-13-2014, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Hey Direckshun or other draft nuts..

Know anything about Washington LB Hau'oli Kikaha? Junior LB with plenty of size and impressive stats.

Maybe he could be a good DJ replacement for the future? +/or if KC does move on from Houston or Hali... this guy has the production and skills to be a good rush LB.

so the versatility could be very attractive in the 2nd/3rd rd.. maybe.

Kikaha has a great motor, very strong hands, good hand usage; he is among the best that I've seen this year at stacking the LOS and shedding his blocker, which is why he leads the FBS in sacks. What I don't really see from him is elite speed and athleticism for the position, though I think that he does have just enough of both. I see him as a lighter (he only weighs around 245) version of Tamba Hali. I'd be interested to see how long his arms measure out to be, that'll be a pretty significant factor for me personally; I tend to mark DL/3-4 OLB prospects down if their arms are less than 34" in length.

OldSchool · 11-14-2014, 12:13 AM

Since one of our glaring issues is offensive line, I've been looking at a bunch of day 2 to midround options. Really liking TJ Clemmings out of Pitt right now in the 2nd to 3rd round. He's still raw in some areas, namely pass protection, but has a lot going for him.

Great frame and length. He looks like a LT.
Elite athleticism for the position.
He's a mauler in the run game and is very good at the second level, as good as anyone else that I've seen so far this year.
Great motor and plays with a nasty attitude.

Would love to add him to the OL group.

Sandy Vagina · 11-14-2014, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Since one of our glaring issues is offensive line, I've been looking at a bunch of day 2 to midround options. Really liking TJ Clemmings out of Pitt right now in the 2nd to 3rd round. He's still raw in some areas, namely pass protection, but has a lot going for him.

Great frame and length. He looks like a LT.
Elite athleticism for the position.
He's a mauler in the run game and is very good at the second level, as good as anyone else that I've seen so far this year.
Great motor and plays with a nasty attitude.

Would love to add him to the OL group.

Cool. Will definitely keep an eye out now for him, when I catch a Pitt game.

Sandy Vagina · 11-14-2014, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Kikaha has a great motor, very strong hands, good hand usage; he is among the best that I've seen this year at stacking the LOS and shedding his blocker, which is why he leads the FBS in sacks. What I don't really see from him is elite speed and athleticism for the position, though I think that he does have just enough of both. I see him as a lighter (he only weighs around 245) version of Tamba Hali. I'd be interested to see how long his arms measure out to be, that'll be a pretty significant factor for me personally; I tend to mark DL/3-4 OLB prospects down if their arms are less than 34" in length.

Yeah, this is why I was thinking of him as a potential ILB in our 3-4. I know some will regard this as "wasting his best skills" or "square peg/round hole"... but he looks like he could easily adjust into a 3-4 ILB role that can blitz.. cover zones well.. and even add value as an OLB blitzer when needed.

Just a wild thought though.. I haven't watched all that much of him.. just enough to think about that.

RunKC · 11-14-2014, 10:33 AM

Looking at the first rd (assuming we draft around 22-24), I think BPA won't be an OL unless La'El Collins falls to us, which is 50/50 IMO.
WR probably won't be either. I fully expect Cooper, White, Parker and maybe Strong to be gone. Funchess will probably be there but idk if I would want him.

I think 3 positions will be strong for us in the later part of rd 1.

1. CB- Alex Carter, possibly one of PJ Williams/Trae Waynes, Ronald Darby
2. ILB-Bernardick McKinney, Eric Kendricks, Denzel Perryman
3. DL-Mario Edwards, maybe Eddie Goldman (leaning towards him being gone) Danny Shelton (this guy will be in the mix after the combine)

Tough choice

O.city · 11-14-2014, 10:38 AM

Unless said ILBis of kuechly status, I'd pass in the first. Same with an OG. Corner isn't a bad idea, but a dl would be a first choice of mine.

OldSchool · 11-14-2014, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Unless said ILBis of kuechly status, I'd pass in the first. Same with an OG. Corner isn't a bad idea, but a dl would be a first choice of mine.

What if Kiko Alonso is available? Kendricks may be just as good as him. Would you take him?

OldSchool · 11-14-2014, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Looking at the first rd (assuming we draft around 22-24), I think BPA won't be an OL unless La'El Collins falls to us, which is 50/50 IMO.
WR probably won't be either. I fully expect Cooper, White, Parker and maybe Strong to be gone. Funchess will probably be there but idk if I would want him.

I think 3 positions will be strong for us in the later part of rd 1.

1. CB- Alex Carter, possibly one of PJ Williams/Trae Waynes, Ronald Darby
2. ILB-Bernardick McKinney, Eric Kendricks, Denzel Perryman
3. DL-Mario Edwards, maybe Eddie Goldman (leaning towards him being gone) Danny Shelton (this guy will be in the mix after the combine)

Tough choice

Know what would really suck? BPA might actually be an OLB prospect this year. Will Dorsey go back to back years at that position?

O.city · 11-14-2014, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

What if Kiko Alonso is available? Kendricks may be just as good as him. Would you take him?

Maybe. But I'd prefer to take one who can cover and play the run. I don't know a lot about Kendrick's but iirc, there were questions about him in the run game?

And fwiw, Alonso was a 2nd rounder. I think the late first is a great place to take risks on good football players that fall for stupid reasons.

09-24-2014, 02:22 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Talking Draft Prospects We've got perhaps the biggest, most consequential draft coming up for this franchise since 2008. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks, and will certainly be picking up an additional four in compensatory picks, one of which is assuredly a 3rd rounder. As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed late rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks we normally wouldn't talk about, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the mid- and lower-round ones. The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until May. Spoiler! QB Marcus Mariota, Oregon Jameis Winston, Florida State Brett Hundley, UCLA Connor Cook, Michigan State RB Todd Gurley, Georgia Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska Mike Davis, South Carolina T.J. Yeldon, Alabama Tevin Coleman, Indiana Duke Johnson, Miami Jay Ajayi, Boise State FB WR Sammie Coates, Auburn Amari Cooper, Alabama Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma Ty Montgomery, Stanford Kevin White, West Virginia DeVante Parker, Louisville Jaelen Strong, Arizona State Josh Harper, Fresno State Breshad Perriman, Central Florida Devin Smith, Ohio State Rashad Greene, Florida State TE Devin Funchess, Michigan Maxx Williams, Minnesota OT Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M Brandon Schwerff, Iowa Andrus Peat, Stanford La'el Collins, LSU Spencer Drango, Baylor Ereck Flowers, Miami Cameron Erving, Florida State T.J. Clemmings, Pittsburgh Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State Jake Fisher, Oregon OG La'el Collins, LSU A.J. McCann, South Carolina Cameron Erving, Florida State Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State Josue Matias, Florida State Laken Tomlinson, Duke C Cameron Erving, Florida State Reese Dismukes, Auburn NT Danny Shelton, Washington Eddie Goldman, Florida State Malcom Brown, Texas Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma 4-3 DT and/or 3-4 DE Leonard Williams, USC Michael Bennett, Ohio State Mario Edwards, Jr., Florida State Malcom Brown, Texas Arik Armstead, Oregon Carl Davis, Iowa 4-3 DE Randy Gregory, Nebraska Shilique Calhoun, Michigan State Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida Shawn Oakman, Baylor Bronson Kaufusi, BYU Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Nate Orchard, Utah Owamagbe Odighizuwa, UCLA Danielle Hunter, LSU 3-4 OLB Randy Gregory, Nebraska Vic Beasley, Clemson Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida Shayne Ray, Missouri Bronson Kaufusi, BYU Lorenzo Maudlin, Louisville Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Nate Orchard, Utah Hau'oli Kikaha, Washington Eli Harold, Virginia Danielle Hunter, LSU 4-3 OLB/WILB Vic Beasley, Clemson Shaq Thompson, Washington Paul Dawson, TCU MLB/SILB Bernardrick McKinney, Mississippi State Denzel Perryman, Miami Eric Kendricks, UCLA CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomo, Oregon P.J. Williams, Florida State Marcus Peters, Washington Trae Waynes, Michigan State Jalen Collins, LSU Alex Carter, Stanford Quentin Rollins, Miami (OH) Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest SS Landon Collins, Alabama Anthony Harris, Virginia FS Gerod Holliman, Louisville K P Last edited by Direckshun; 03-04-2015 at 08:24 PM..
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11-14-2014, 10:33 AM	#191
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1570389	Looking at the first rd (assuming we draft around 22-24), I think BPA won't be an OL unless La'El Collins falls to us, which is 50/50 IMO. WR probably won't be either. I fully expect Cooper, White, Parker and maybe Strong to be gone. Funchess will probably be there but idk if I would want him. I think 3 positions will be strong for us in the later part of rd 1. 1. CB- Alex Carter, possibly one of PJ Williams/Trae Waynes, Ronald Darby 2. ILB-Bernardick McKinney, Eric Kendricks, Denzel Perryman 3. DL-Mario Edwards, maybe Eddie Goldman (leaning towards him being gone) Danny Shelton (this guy will be in the mix after the combine) Tough choice __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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