Chiefs Let's talk about the ****ing Bills. - Page 13

Direckshun · 11-02-2014, 08:19 PM

This one is huge, people. If you didn't already know, and aren't already reading along in the two threads we're discussing this, this one could be for an NFL tiebreaker. Plus, it is a game we need to win so that we don't have to beat the league's most talented teams later to compensate.

The Bills are 5-3. We are 5-3. This, for all intents and purposes, is a playoff game. And it's in ****ing Buffalo, a place where they're almost as starved for playoff success as we are. Even worse, they're coming off a bye.

What the hell happened in Buffalo? This team was a hopeless dope of a franchise for years. They were awful last year. Now, they're suddenly competent and possibly even good? Without a running game??? What??

I'll tell you what happened. Kyle ****ing Orton happened. All of a sudden, the Bills have a QB who doesn't Belcher their entire chance at success. Orton can, you know, actually pass the ball, can adequately read defenses, and doesn't make gargantuan ****ing mistakes like EJ Manuel and Jeff Tuel did. And prepare yourself for this week, because Claythan is going to be blowing Orton all week and it's going to be ridiculous.

Orton's having a very good year by his standards, but there's two major catches to his success:

The Bills do not have a run game, and therefore depend on Orton for their offensive success.
He is still Kyle Orton.

That means you can expect Orton's effectiveness to evaporate like a Chiefs fan's hopes and dreams when he's under pressure. You can also expect him to struggle squeezing the ball into tight windows, which is why Orton has historically been terrible in the red zone.

He's been better this year in the red zone, but still nobody's idea of a world beater. The primary reason he's been getting some success is because they have their own Percy Harvin, which we apparently struggle mightily with, named Sammie Watkins. This Watkins kid isn't the polished route-runner that Harvin is, but he's bigger and every bit as athletic. He can absolutely torch people, and the Chiefs need to have this asshole on lockdown.

After that, they have several nice, adequate weapons in supporting roles. I've always really liked Scott Chandler at TE, and angled a few years back for the Chiefs to pick him up in FA. Mike Williams is a big WR who had a super productive year in Tampa and can still have a big catch from time to time, Robert Woods is a smooth route runner, and Marquise Goodwin is a re-****ing-diculous speedster.

At RB, it's a mess. Fred Jackson has missed time, and will probably be out. CJ Spiller is dead. Their lead RB, and this is true, is a guy named Boobie Dixon. Also known as Anthony Dixon, he was a 245 lbs, fatass plodder that the 49ers could never find use for. He's meh. They also have Bryce Brown, who is alright.

I really like their OL, which is a reason Orton's been able to sling it fairly well. Cordy Glenn is a ridiculous monster athlete of a LT, but he's still learning and is very young. Seantrel Henderson is another extremely large, very athletic tackle at RT, just a great pair of gigantic athletes there. Erik Wood is a decent, capable center, nothing special, but I don't know much about how Cyril Richardson and Erik Pears are playing at guard. Maybe we've got some New Englanders here who can enlighten us.

So that's a capable offense. But the defense is why they are 5-3.

This defensive line is impossible. Mario Williams is not the game changer he once was, but he gets his off the edge. The middle of the DL is probably the best the NFL has to offer: Marcel Dareus and Kyle Williams are ****ing impossible. They disrupt anything and everything, and are ferocious against the pass (Dareus has SEVEN SACKS) and the run. Shit... is about to get real. Off the other edge they have Jerry Hughes, a former 1st round bust who is off pace to notch 11 sack this year. This DL is the worst.

I don't know anything about Nigel Bradham at OLB, who apparently leads their team in tackles. Keith Rivers is injured again, so they play rookie Preston Brown at the other OLB spot -- Brown is not terribly athletic, but is a sound tackler. They have Brandon Spikes at ILB, the epitome of slow and heady.

Expect a heavy dosage of Stephon Gilmore on Bowe. Gilmore is a physical, smart corner who is a true #1 CB. Leonis McKelvin is a former 1st round bust -- great athlete, but very average at the #2 CB position -- which is probably enough against our poverty receiving corps.

Aaron Williams has been reborn as a very good safety in Buffalo after playing poorly as a CB early in his career. I don't know a damn thing about Da'Norris Searcy but his stats indicate a jack of all trades, and a master of none.

This is one of those games you get up for, people. It's going to be a very intense week getting up for this game, and having to put up with Claynus' Orton-whoring this week won't make it much better.

Let's win this ****ing game.

Dinny Bossa Nova · 11-03-2014, 06:16 PM

Hey, Dane. I tried to PM you, but can't.

I posted a thread a while back I'd like you to look at.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=287126

A thousand pardons for the side-track. PM me if you have any ideas.

Dinny

BlackOp · 11-03-2014, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I'm trying to be optimistic, but I think this is the game that brings us back down to earth.

We aren't gonna be able to run on them and I don't like the matchups of our receivers and their secondary AT ALL.

I think Alex Smith has a terrible day and we lose big to a talented and underrated team coming of a bye week.

I really hope I'm wrong.

I going with that Reid/Sutton faced this team/coaching staff last year...I think they will have learned from that experience.

Houston/Hali coupled with Orton's propensity for taking sacks will be the difference. He needs time for Watkins to get deep..

Last season both Spiller/Jackson played....they are both out. Last season they didn't have Watkins...but KC didn't have Kelce.

philfree · 11-03-2014, 06:24 PM

We have to win this game. Sweep the East!

kccrow · 11-03-2014, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think they probably slap Sean Smith on Watkins all day, and maybe bracket him.

The Bills have a decent cast of other weapons, but Chandler, Woods, and Mike Williams shouldn't be enough to beat the Chiefs if they're able to put the clamps on Watkins.

I'd probably feel a whole lot better if that read "throw Gaines on Watkins all day..." Sean Smith is a liability against the deep ball. Gaines has shown he can stick with a guy.

OldSchool · 11-03-2014, 07:16 PM

Gaines with Parker and Berry deep. Don't have to worry about the run as much against this team without Spiller and Jackson. Let Abdullah take care of all the underneath stuff.

Hootie · 11-03-2014, 07:21 PM

We'll win this one by 7+

Exoter175 · 11-03-2014, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Gaines with Parker and Berry deep. Don't have to worry about the run as much against this team without Spiller and Jackson. Let Abdullah take care of all the underneath stuff.

I sure hope you're right.

Exoter175 · 11-03-2014, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

We'll win this one by 7+

I wish I had your confidence. That Defense at home is rooooooough stuff.

Hootie · 11-03-2014, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exoter175

I wish I had your confidence. That Defense at home is rooooooough stuff.

Easy money this week. Take the Chiefs.

Exoter175 · 11-03-2014, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Easy money this week. Take the Chiefs.

Honestly, how do you quantify that? Aside from just blind faith.

My fear is that at our best, this is a super tight game won by 3 or less. At our worst, we somehow manage to get shredding again and blown out on the ground. Or maybe I'm just remembering the 2012 game too fondly.

lcarus · 11-03-2014, 07:28 PM

Who is Buffalo's RB after Spiller and Jackson? I seriously don't even know.

Hammock Parties · 11-03-2014, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Easy money this week. Take the Chiefs.

This offense was stuffed in the second half by the Jets. At Arrowhead.

Realistically we're looking at a 13-10 win at best. The D will have to win this one.

Just Passin' By · 11-03-2014, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Honestly, how do you quantify that? Aside from just blind faith.

My fear is that at our best, this is a super tight game won by 3 or less. At our worst, we somehow manage to get shredding again and blown out on the ground. Or maybe I'm just remembering the 2012 game too fondly.

Same way he had easy money on Denver this past week.

Hammock Parties · 11-03-2014, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcarus

Who is Buffalo's RB after Spiller and Jackson? I seriously don't even know.

Their RBs are not what you have to worry about.

Exoter175 · 11-03-2014, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcarus

Who is Buffalo's RB after Spiller and Jackson? I seriously don't even know.

Dixon and Brown. Pretty decent backfield with their #1 and #2 guys down.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count Zarth

This offense was stuffed in the second half by the Jets. At Arrowhead.

Realistically we're looking at a 13-10 win at best. The D will have to win this one.

I think you're right that the D might have to win this one, but I disagree with the score.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Same way he had easy money on Denver this past week.

Pure fandom? lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count Zarth

Their RBs are not what you have to worry about.

Oh shut up.

11-02-2014, 08:19 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2103447	Let's talk about the ing Bills. This one is huge, people. If you didn't already know, and aren't already reading along in the two threads we're discussing this, this one could be for an NFL tiebreaker. Plus, it is a game we need to win so that we don't have to beat the league's most talented teams later to compensate. The Bills are 5-3. We are 5-3. This, for all intents and purposes, is a playoff game. And it's in ***ing Buffalo, a place where they're almost* as starved for playoff success as we are. Even worse, they're coming off a bye. What the hell happened in Buffalo? This team was a hopeless dope of a franchise for years. They were awful last year. Now, they're suddenly competent and possibly even good? Without a running game??? What?? I'll tell you what happened. Kyle **ing Orton happened. All of a sudden, the Bills have a QB who doesn't Belcher their entire chance at success. Orton can, you know, actually pass the ball, can adequately read defenses, and doesn't make gargantuan ing mistakes like EJ Manuel and Jeff Tuel did. And prepare yourself for this week, because Claythan is going to be blowing Orton all week and it's going to be ridiculous. Orton's having a very good year by his standards, but there's two major catches to his success: The Bills do not have a run game, and therefore depend on Orton for their offensive success. He is still Kyle Orton. That means you can expect Orton's effectiveness to evaporate like a Chiefs fan's hopes and dreams when he's under pressure. You can also expect him to struggle squeezing the ball into tight windows, which is why Orton has historically been terrible in the red zone. He's been better this year in the red zone, but still nobody's idea of a world beater. The primary reason he's been getting some success is because they have their own Percy Harvin, which we apparently struggle mightily with, named Sammie Watkins. This Watkins kid isn't the polished route-runner that Harvin is, but he's bigger and every bit as athletic. He can absolutely torch people, and the Chiefs need to have this asshole on lockdown. After that, they have several nice, adequate weapons in supporting roles. I've always really liked Scott Chandler at TE, and angled a few years back for the Chiefs to pick him up in FA. Mike Williams is a big WR who had a super productive year in Tampa and can still have a big catch from time to time, Robert Woods is a smooth route runner, and Marquise Goodwin is a re-ing-diculous speedster. At RB, it's a mess. Fred Jackson has missed time, and will probably be out. CJ Spiller is dead. Their lead RB, and this is true, is a guy named Boobie Dixon. Also known as Anthony Dixon, he was a 245 lbs, fatass plodder that the 49ers could never find use for. He's meh. They also have Bryce Brown, who is alright. I really like their OL, which is a reason Orton's been able to sling it fairly well. Cordy Glenn is a ridiculous monster athlete of a LT, but he's still learning and is very young. Seantrel Henderson is another extremely large, very athletic tackle at RT, just a great pair of gigantic athletes there. Erik Wood is a decent, capable center, nothing special, but I don't know much about how Cyril Richardson and Erik Pears are playing at guard. Maybe we've got some New Englanders here who can enlighten us. So that's a capable offense. But the defense is why they are 5-3. This defensive line is impossible. Mario Williams is not the game changer he once was, but he gets his off the edge. The middle of the DL is probably the best the NFL has to offer: Marcel Dareus and Kyle Williams are ing impossible. They disrupt anything and everything, and are ferocious against the pass (Dareus has SEVEN SACKS) and the run. Shit... is about to get real. Off the other edge they have Jerry Hughes, a former 1st round bust who is off pace to notch 11 sack this year. This DL is the worst. I don't know anything about Nigel Bradham at OLB, who apparently leads their team in tackles. Keith Rivers is injured again, so they play rookie Preston Brown at the other OLB spot -- Brown is not terribly athletic, but is a sound tackler. They have Brandon Spikes at ILB, the epitome of slow and heady. Expect a heavy dosage of Stephon Gilmore on Bowe. Gilmore is a physical, smart corner who is a true #1 CB. Leonis McKelvin is a former 1st round bust -- great athlete, but very average at the #2 CB position -- which is probably enough against our poverty receiving corps. Aaron Williams has been reborn as a very good safety in Buffalo after playing poorly as a CB early in his career. I don't know a damn thing about Da'Norris Searcy but his stats indicate a jack of all trades, and a master of none. This is one of those games you get up for, people. It's going to be a very intense week getting up for this game, and having to put up with Claynus' Orton-whoring this week won't make it much better. Let's win this **ing game.
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