Chiefs Let's talk about the ****ing Bills. - Page 31

Direckshun · 11-02-2014, 08:19 PM

This one is huge, people. If you didn't already know, and aren't already reading along in the two threads we're discussing this, this one could be for an NFL tiebreaker. Plus, it is a game we need to win so that we don't have to beat the league's most talented teams later to compensate.

The Bills are 5-3. We are 5-3. This, for all intents and purposes, is a playoff game. And it's in ****ing Buffalo, a place where they're almost as starved for playoff success as we are. Even worse, they're coming off a bye.

What the hell happened in Buffalo? This team was a hopeless dope of a franchise for years. They were awful last year. Now, they're suddenly competent and possibly even good? Without a running game??? What??

I'll tell you what happened. Kyle ****ing Orton happened. All of a sudden, the Bills have a QB who doesn't Belcher their entire chance at success. Orton can, you know, actually pass the ball, can adequately read defenses, and doesn't make gargantuan ****ing mistakes like EJ Manuel and Jeff Tuel did. And prepare yourself for this week, because Claythan is going to be blowing Orton all week and it's going to be ridiculous.

Orton's having a very good year by his standards, but there's two major catches to his success:

The Bills do not have a run game, and therefore depend on Orton for their offensive success.
He is still Kyle Orton.

That means you can expect Orton's effectiveness to evaporate like a Chiefs fan's hopes and dreams when he's under pressure. You can also expect him to struggle squeezing the ball into tight windows, which is why Orton has historically been terrible in the red zone.

He's been better this year in the red zone, but still nobody's idea of a world beater. The primary reason he's been getting some success is because they have their own Percy Harvin, which we apparently struggle mightily with, named Sammie Watkins. This Watkins kid isn't the polished route-runner that Harvin is, but he's bigger and every bit as athletic. He can absolutely torch people, and the Chiefs need to have this asshole on lockdown.

After that, they have several nice, adequate weapons in supporting roles. I've always really liked Scott Chandler at TE, and angled a few years back for the Chiefs to pick him up in FA. Mike Williams is a big WR who had a super productive year in Tampa and can still have a big catch from time to time, Robert Woods is a smooth route runner, and Marquise Goodwin is a re-****ing-diculous speedster.

At RB, it's a mess. Fred Jackson has missed time, and will probably be out. CJ Spiller is dead. Their lead RB, and this is true, is a guy named Boobie Dixon. Also known as Anthony Dixon, he was a 245 lbs, fatass plodder that the 49ers could never find use for. He's meh. They also have Bryce Brown, who is alright.

I really like their OL, which is a reason Orton's been able to sling it fairly well. Cordy Glenn is a ridiculous monster athlete of a LT, but he's still learning and is very young. Seantrel Henderson is another extremely large, very athletic tackle at RT, just a great pair of gigantic athletes there. Erik Wood is a decent, capable center, nothing special, but I don't know much about how Cyril Richardson and Erik Pears are playing at guard. Maybe we've got some New Englanders here who can enlighten us.

So that's a capable offense. But the defense is why they are 5-3.

This defensive line is impossible. Mario Williams is not the game changer he once was, but he gets his off the edge. The middle of the DL is probably the best the NFL has to offer: Marcel Dareus and Kyle Williams are ****ing impossible. They disrupt anything and everything, and are ferocious against the pass (Dareus has SEVEN SACKS) and the run. Shit... is about to get real. Off the other edge they have Jerry Hughes, a former 1st round bust who is off pace to notch 11 sack this year. This DL is the worst.

I don't know anything about Nigel Bradham at OLB, who apparently leads their team in tackles. Keith Rivers is injured again, so they play rookie Preston Brown at the other OLB spot -- Brown is not terribly athletic, but is a sound tackler. They have Brandon Spikes at ILB, the epitome of slow and heady.

Expect a heavy dosage of Stephon Gilmore on Bowe. Gilmore is a physical, smart corner who is a true #1 CB. Leonis McKelvin is a former 1st round bust -- great athlete, but very average at the #2 CB position -- which is probably enough against our poverty receiving corps.

Aaron Williams has been reborn as a very good safety in Buffalo after playing poorly as a CB early in his career. I don't know a damn thing about Da'Norris Searcy but his stats indicate a jack of all trades, and a master of none.

This is one of those games you get up for, people. It's going to be a very intense week getting up for this game, and having to put up with Claynus' Orton-whoring this week won't make it much better.

Let's win this ****ing game.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-07-2014, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Only a total homer idiot could find some way to say that Fisher and Ford were even RESPECTABLE 1st round picks.

It's homer bull$3it to argue either one is even a capable starter...

Your Football IQ , which was already questionable, has dropped to zero in my absence.

Good ****ing God, Man.

**BossChief** · 11-07-2014, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Only a total homer idiot could find some way to say that Fisher and Ford were even RESPECTABLE 1st round picks.

It's homer bull$3it to argue either one is even a capable starter...

Dee Ford was in my sig as one of the 5 guys I had hopes we would draft in the first.

Dude is a clutch performer and has ELITE tools as a pass rusher.

Dude was a STEAL in the late first.

O.city · 11-07-2014, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Yeah i bet, haha.

Would be nice though right

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-07-2014, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Dee Ford was in my sig as one of the 5 guys I had hopes we would draft in the first.

Dude is a clutch performer and has ELITE tools as a pass rusher.

Dude was a STEAL in the late first.

Absolutely. Any skeptics will likely see his potential late in the season and in the playoffs. He's smart, loves football, has a desire to learn and become great and has an awesome first step.

As to Fisher, there's only one player in the top half of the 2013 draft that would have made more sense than him and that's Sheldon Richardson. Ironically, Fisher played his ass of against Richardson just this past Sunday and is improving each and every week.

To state that Fisher was a "Wasted Pick" is beyond ludicrous and he's been the best left tackle from that entire draft class by far.

O.city · 11-07-2014, 01:24 PM

Damn I wish we could have had Sheldon.

Richardson, Poe, Bailey would be wrecking shit right now.

Mother****erJones · 11-07-2014, 01:25 PM

I'm not down on Dee. He will be really good and that I'm confident.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-07-2014, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Damn I wish we could have had Sheldon.

Richardson, Poe, Bailey would be wrecking shit right now.

At the expense of a left tackle?

The D-line has been playing extremely well this season and while he would have been a nice addition, it was a luxury the Chiefs couldn't afford at the time.

O.city · 11-07-2014, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

At the expense of a left tackle?

The D-line has been playing extremely well this season and while he would have been a nice addition, it was a luxury the Chiefs couldn't afford at the time.

Could have looked at Armstead later in the draft. He's been, IIRC (don't watch a ton of Saints games, just going off memory) a really good LT for the Saints.

I get why they went with Fisher, for his upside which hopefully will be achieved at some point. But, I think we could have gotten the same level of play out of Stephenson or another LT up to this point with Sheldon at DE. Would have been a different way to go.

Pasta Little Brioni · 11-07-2014, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

Scored all of 17 pts.

Inside the 5 twice...no points. Fluke.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-07-2014, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Could have looked at Armstead later in the draft. He's been, IIRC (don't watch a ton of Saints games, just going off memory) a really good LT for the Saints.

I get why they went with Fisher, for his upside which hopefully will be achieved at some point. But, I think we could have gotten the same level of play out of Stephenson or another LT up to this point with Sheldon at DE. Would have been a different way to go.

Fisher has only started eight games at left tackle and has improved each week. I see no reason for this not to continue and next year, the guy should be amongst the elite left tackles in the NFL.

Donald Stephenson failed a PED test and has only played three snaps this season on Special Teams. Comparing him to Fisher's upside is misguided.

O.city · 11-07-2014, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Fisher has only started eight games at left tackle and has improved each week. I see no reason for this not to continue and next year, the guy should be amongst the elite left tackles in the NFL.

Donald Stephenson failed a PED test and has only played three snaps this season on Special Teams. Comparing him to Fisher's upside is misguided.

Didn't say Stephenson's upside was close to fishers, just that at this point we could have gotten the same production.

I'mean hoping Fisher gets there. Long way to go though.

OldSchool · 11-07-2014, 01:52 PM

Fisher needs to go work out with Jared Veldheer for his strength and conditioning and then hit up Jason Peters for techical work.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-07-2014, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Didn't say Stephenson's upside was close to fishers, just that at this point we could have gotten the same production.

I'mean hoping Fisher gets there. Long way to go though.

Your post is complete speculation.

The Chiefs would not have gotten the same production and they would have had to sign some scrub off the streets for the initial four games.

And IMO, Fisher does NOT have a "long way to go". The guy is improving each week and has played well against some pretty fierce pass rushers to date.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-07-2014, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Fisher needs to go work out with Jared Veldheer for his strength and conditioning and then hit up Jason Peters for techical work.

Fisher needs 16 games of experience at left tackle and a surgery-free off-season.

Three7s · 11-07-2014, 01:56 PM

How did this Bills thread turn into a discussion about Fisher and Ford being good/not good?

11-02-2014, 08:19 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2063447	Let's talk about the ing Bills. This one is huge, people. If you didn't already know, and aren't already reading along in the two threads we're discussing this, this one could be for an NFL tiebreaker. Plus, it is a game we need to win so that we don't have to beat the league's most talented teams later to compensate. The Bills are 5-3. We are 5-3. This, for all intents and purposes, is a playoff game. And it's in ***ing Buffalo, a place where they're almost* as starved for playoff success as we are. Even worse, they're coming off a bye. What the hell happened in Buffalo? This team was a hopeless dope of a franchise for years. They were awful last year. Now, they're suddenly competent and possibly even good? Without a running game??? What?? I'll tell you what happened. Kyle **ing Orton happened. All of a sudden, the Bills have a QB who doesn't Belcher their entire chance at success. Orton can, you know, actually pass the ball, can adequately read defenses, and doesn't make gargantuan ing mistakes like EJ Manuel and Jeff Tuel did. And prepare yourself for this week, because Claythan is going to be blowing Orton all week and it's going to be ridiculous. Orton's having a very good year by his standards, but there's two major catches to his success: The Bills do not have a run game, and therefore depend on Orton for their offensive success. He is still Kyle Orton. That means you can expect Orton's effectiveness to evaporate like a Chiefs fan's hopes and dreams when he's under pressure. You can also expect him to struggle squeezing the ball into tight windows, which is why Orton has historically been terrible in the red zone. He's been better this year in the red zone, but still nobody's idea of a world beater. The primary reason he's been getting some success is because they have their own Percy Harvin, which we apparently struggle mightily with, named Sammie Watkins. This Watkins kid isn't the polished route-runner that Harvin is, but he's bigger and every bit as athletic. He can absolutely torch people, and the Chiefs need to have this asshole on lockdown. After that, they have several nice, adequate weapons in supporting roles. I've always really liked Scott Chandler at TE, and angled a few years back for the Chiefs to pick him up in FA. Mike Williams is a big WR who had a super productive year in Tampa and can still have a big catch from time to time, Robert Woods is a smooth route runner, and Marquise Goodwin is a re-ing-diculous speedster. At RB, it's a mess. Fred Jackson has missed time, and will probably be out. CJ Spiller is dead. Their lead RB, and this is true, is a guy named Boobie Dixon. Also known as Anthony Dixon, he was a 245 lbs, fatass plodder that the 49ers could never find use for. He's meh. They also have Bryce Brown, who is alright. I really like their OL, which is a reason Orton's been able to sling it fairly well. Cordy Glenn is a ridiculous monster athlete of a LT, but he's still learning and is very young. Seantrel Henderson is another extremely large, very athletic tackle at RT, just a great pair of gigantic athletes there. Erik Wood is a decent, capable center, nothing special, but I don't know much about how Cyril Richardson and Erik Pears are playing at guard. Maybe we've got some New Englanders here who can enlighten us. So that's a capable offense. But the defense is why they are 5-3. This defensive line is impossible. Mario Williams is not the game changer he once was, but he gets his off the edge. The middle of the DL is probably the best the NFL has to offer: Marcel Dareus and Kyle Williams are ing impossible. They disrupt anything and everything, and are ferocious against the pass (Dareus has SEVEN SACKS) and the run. Shit... is about to get real. Off the other edge they have Jerry Hughes, a former 1st round bust who is off pace to notch 11 sack this year. This DL is the worst. I don't know anything about Nigel Bradham at OLB, who apparently leads their team in tackles. Keith Rivers is injured again, so they play rookie Preston Brown at the other OLB spot -- Brown is not terribly athletic, but is a sound tackler. They have Brandon Spikes at ILB, the epitome of slow and heady. Expect a heavy dosage of Stephon Gilmore on Bowe. Gilmore is a physical, smart corner who is a true #1 CB. Leonis McKelvin is a former 1st round bust -- great athlete, but very average at the #2 CB position -- which is probably enough against our poverty receiving corps. Aaron Williams has been reborn as a very good safety in Buffalo after playing poorly as a CB early in his career. I don't know a damn thing about Da'Norris Searcy but his stats indicate a jack of all trades, and a master of none. This is one of those games you get up for, people. It's going to be a very intense week getting up for this game, and having to put up with Claynus' Orton-whoring this week won't make it much better. Let's win this **ing game.
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