There is no way the NFL will pass up Dallas vs Green Bay

[a pp roach]

Sorry Lions fans. You're ****ed, again.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by srvy

Since when is face guarding not a penalty in the NFL? I have even herd officials use the term calling the penalty. Maybe the have eliminated the verbage but its still a penalty. DB never turns to make play on the ball puts hand on receiver then runs through him. That is pass interference any day except when playing the Cowboys or Bronco's in the playoffs.

Since forever.
I don't know, I've read that it was always legal and I've read since around.

It should be legal. PI is hard enough to call correctly. Now imagine if they have to call a pretty much completely subjective penalty of "blocking the receiver's view?"

You can block the view all you want. But if there is contact while doing it, you better be making a play on the ball.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by srvy

Since when is face guarding not a penalty in the NFL? I have even herd officials use the term calling the penalty. Maybe the have eliminated the verbage but its still a penalty. DB never turns to make play on the ball puts hand on receiver then runs through him. That is pass interference any day except when playing the Cowboys or Bronco's in the playoffs.

That's another oddity here. I swear that I've heard many times that it's a penalty. Even if there's no contact, if you block the receiver's vision without looking at the ball, it's a penalty. I've heard that a million times, and over 500,000 of those related to William Bartee. In fact, I think it's even called the William Bartee Rule.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

That's another oddity here. I swear that I've heard many times that it's a penalty. Even if there's no contact, if you block the receiver's vision without looking at the ball, it's a penalty. I've heard that a million times, and over 500,000 of those related to William Bartee. In fact, I think it's even called the William Bartee Rule.

That's a great example. And that was even pre-Manning rules. They've always nailed DBs for it.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by tk13

That's a great example. And that was even pre-Manning rules. They've always nailed DBs for it.

If there's no contact, there cannot be PI. Period.
If there is some incidental contact made while making a play on the ball, the refs may or may not call it, depending on how incidental.
Basically, if you're making play on the ball, you get a little break if there is contact.
But if there's no contact, there is nothing for the refs to call.

[Dylan]

Interesting:

Correct RT @HunterDJohnson @kmeinke @PFF_Pete @jasonrmcintyre @SI_PeterKing HL 15 yds away. BJ 35-40 yds away pic.twitter.com/6lAeOX5J49

— Football Zebras (@footballzebras) January 5, 2015

as I did on Twitter, I must disagree with the referee not having some responsibility for the crew in this situation.

The point about that the referee having the quarterback as the key and shouldn’t give his opinion on the actual call, is of course, correct. Yet, the referee has responsibility to take charge when a situation such as this arises. He has a flag on the ground by the B. The H, trying to get the call right, calls the B off the flag. I believe the referee really should not just accept the H reasoning in that situation and have a conference with the B. The first question from the R should be “Why did you throw the flag?” If the R gets an answer to justify the flag, he can then ask the H about why he saw. After getting both pieces of information, the referee can then make an informed decision with the input of the two crew members whether to go with the call or pick it up. In that situation, with the game on the line, how could any referee just go with what the H and B worked out on their own and NOT get involved. Why are you the referee if you’re not going to provide some leadership in this situation? It has nothing to do whether he saw the play, it had everything to do with adjudicating the two differing views of crew members.

Based on replay, we agree they should have went with the B’s flag, correct? So, where was the referee to make sure that the B had confidence enough to stick with it? As an R, I’m definitely asking my B what the hell he threw a flag for if he’s so willing to be called off of it.

The H thought he was saving the crew. It was the R that could and should have been the crew saver here. Hey, if the B told the R that he kicked it, then fine. The R would be absolved. The fact that he didn’t even investigate what the hell was going on was the problem.

You’re wearing a white hat for a reason. Use it.

What about the side judge? Shouldn’t Baynes be involved in this?

OFFICIALS' JURISDICTIONS, POSITIONS, AND DUTIES
http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/jurisdiction

[tk13]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

If there's no contact, there cannot be PI. Period.
If there is some incidental contact made while making a play on the ball, the refs may or may not call it, depending on how incidental.
Basically, if you're making play on the ball, you get a little break if there is contact.
But if there's no contact, there is nothing for the refs to call.

What's this have to do with the play in question though? The DB clear as day tugged on the guy's jersey, and had his hand on the receiver's right shoulder, pushing off on the receiver's right shoulder before the ball gets there.

There isn't any debate to this. It's right there on the video. You may as well be arguing the ocean is made of cheese.

[tk13]

http://deadspin.com/officials-revers...-da-1677432620

You can't embed Deadspin videos, but I want to see some legitimately make the argument that he did not tug on the jersey at 24 seconds into that video, and did not put his hand on the receiver's right shoulder and push it backwards between 30-34 seconds, before the arrival of the ball.

I'm sure someone will be crazy enough to do it, so have at it.

[Brock]

That's a horrible call no matter what the rulebook says. It gets called 10000 (now 9999) times out of 10000.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by tk13

What's this have to do with the play in question though? The DB clear as day tugged on the guy's jersey, and had his hand on the receiver's right shoulder, pushing off on the receiver's right shoulder before the ball gets there.

There isn't any debate to this. It's right there on the video. You may as well be arguing the ocean is made of cheese.

Because 'face guarding' has been mentioned as a stand-alone penalty and you said "good example."

He did tug the jersey, and technically that's holding, but it often isn't called if it is quick and didn't impede the WR too much. I'd have probably called it.

There was contact as the ball arrived, probably enough for a PI, especially since he didn't make a play on the ball.

But what I question is--was the ball catchable? Even if the defender hadn't contacted the WR, I don't think he can reasonably catch that. It hit the Def in the back. He'd have to go through or around him to get it. I guess I could go either way on the PI, particularly knowing the refs are making the call in real time.

I probably would have called the holding though.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by tk13

http://deadspin.com/officials-revers...-da-1677432620

You can't embed Deadspin videos, but I want to see some legitimately make the argument that he did not tug on the jersey at 24 seconds into that video, and did not put his hand on the receiver's right shoulder and push it backwards between 30-34 seconds, before the arrival of the ball.

I'm sure someone will be crazy enough to do it, so have at it.

Seeing that angle, it does look like he barely pushed the receiver's shoulder (which actually probably helped the receiver more than hinder him). I didn't see that in the gifs that have been floating around.

There was also a ticky-tack defensive holding that should never be called.

In terms of actual impact, it looks more like the receiver pushed off than the defender pushed him.

The bottom line is that it's a shame that officials have to make calls in situations like this. It's too fine a line to do a good job for anyone.

[jd1020]

I would have called unsportsmanlike conduct on Dez Bryant.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by a pp roach

Sorry Lions fans. You're ****ed, again.

Troof. And they DID get ****ed.

I agree with picking up the flag, or even throwing flags on both (Pettigrew was guilty of OPI), but Dez should've been flagged for Unsportsmanlike for being on the field without his helmet.

So, it either should have been a replayed down, or 1st down Detroit with a 15 yarder.

But...as mentioned, the NFL can't pass up Dallas going to Green Bay.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by tk13

http://deadspin.com/officials-revers...-da-1677432620

You can't embed Deadspin videos, but I want to see some legitimately make the argument that he did not tug on the jersey at 24 seconds into that video, and did not put his hand on the receiver's right shoulder and push it backwards between 30-34 seconds, before the arrival of the ball.

I'm sure someone will be crazy enough to do it, so have at it.

Pettigrew pushed off as well, before all of that.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

That's another oddity here. I swear that I've heard many times that it's a penalty. Even if there's no contact, if you block the receiver's vision without looking at the ball, it's a penalty. I've heard that a million times, and over 500,000 of those related to William Bartee. In fact, I think it's even called the William Bartee Rule.

Face guarding is a penalty in NCAA, not NFL.

But, in this instance, the officials called the game the way the league wanted it called.

Green Bay and Detroit already twice a year - no one wants to see Detroit go to Green Bay or Seattle. Dallas gets more ratings - they're 'America's Team'. Lol.

Dallas won't win the Super Bowl...but they may go to the NFC Title Game.

Maybe.

Lambeau (sp?), tough place to play in Jan.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by tk13

What's this have to do with the play in question though? The DB clear as day tugged on the guy's jersey, and had his hand on the receiver's right shoulder, pushing off on the receiver's right shoulder before the ball gets there.

There isn't any debate to this. It's right there on the video. You may as well be arguing the ocean is made of cheese.

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