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**BigRedChief** · 09:44 PM

2011 World Series Championship
2012 NLCS. One win from another WS appearance.
2013 World Series. Two wins from another World Series Championship
2014 NLCS. Three wins from another WS appearance

Made the postseason 10 times in the last 14 seasons.
Only 1 losing season since 2000.
Reached the World Series 4 times since 2004 and won as many championships (two) the past eight seasons as it did from 1965 to 2005.
Made the NLCS 9 times including the last 4 years 2011-2014
Three million attendance? Take it to the bank.
65 post season wins since 2004. 22+ wins more than any other team.

O.city · 01-08-2015, 12:16 PM

I wold like Hamels.

duncan_idaho · 01-08-2015, 02:36 PM

If that's what the Phillies want for Hamels, I think it makes a lot of sense for the Cardinals to go get him.

Especially if they can do it without surrendering Martinez. A deal based around Piscotty, Gonzalez and Bourjos would be a steal for St. Louis, IMO. No major impact players going out... ace-level pitcher coming in.

VAChief · 01-08-2015, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

If that's what the Phillies want for Hamels, I think it makes a lot of sense for the Cardinals to go get him.

Especially if they can do it without surrendering Martinez. A deal based around Piscotty, Gonzalez and Bourjos would be a steal for St. Louis, IMO. No major impact players going out... ace-level pitcher coming in.

Yes, but I would try for Grichuk, Bourjos, Gonzalez first. I like Piscotty as Holliday's replacement in a few years. I think he could produce a similar line with a little less raw power, but similar numbers, and better defense.

I think he can probably get enough bats on our roster next year in some utility roles (including 1st as has been mentioned earlier). Most of his errors at 3B were throwing issues. That wouldn't be as big of an issue at 1st.

duncan_idaho · 01-08-2015, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by VAChief

Yes, but I would try for Grichuk, Bourjos, Gonzalez first. I like Piscotty as Holliday's replacement in a few years. I think he could produce a similar line with a little less raw power, but similar numbers, and better defense.

I think he can probably get enough bats on our roster next year in some utility roles (including 1st as has been mentioned earlier). Most of his errors at 3B were throwing issues. That wouldn't be as big of an issue at 1st.

That would be a major coup, if Philly takes it. Piscotty + Gonzalez + Bourjos seems like a major underpay, let alone swapping out Piscotty for Grichuk.

I'm sure Orioles fans would think that was a totally fair deal for Hamels, though.

O.city · 01-08-2015, 03:33 PM

For sure if that's all they want

**BigRedChief** · 01-08-2015, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by VAChief

Yes, but I would try for Grichuk, Bourjos, Gonzalez first. I like Piscotty as Holliday's replacement in a few years. I think he could produce a similar line with a little less raw power, but similar numbers, and better defense.

I'm sure if that was all it took, the deal would be done. I'm sure they want Martinez, not Gonzalez in the deal.

**BigRedChief** · 01-08-2015, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

That would be a major coup, if Philly takes it. Piscotty + Gonzalez + Bourjos seems like a major underpay, let alone swapping out Piscotty for Grichuk.

I'd have no problem with that trade. Piscotty or Grichuk take your pic Philly and Gonzales/Bourjas. Print em.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-08-2015, 04:46 PM

Piscotty, Bourjos, and Gonzalez is not an underpay. That's a fair trade, but it leaves the Cardinals dangerously thin in the OF.

They would have to be pretty high on Grichuk to make that trade. He has the athleticism to play center, but he's still an atrocity against RHP. That would give him until 2016 to get that figured out, because I can't imagine the Cardinals are going to stay with Jay much longer given his athletic profile, age, and escalating cost.

**BigRedChief** · 01-08-2015, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Piscotty, Bourjos, and Gonzalez is not an underpay. That's a fair trade, but it leaves the Cardinals dangerously thin in the OF.

They would have to be pretty high on Grichuk to make that trade. He has the athleticism to play center, but he's still an atrocity against RHP. That would give him until 2016 to get that figured out, because I can't imagine the Cardinals are going to stay with Jay much longer given his athletic profile, age, and escalating cost.

dangerously thin? I'd agree. But the death of Oscar continues to cause the dominoes to fall.

We need another top of the line pitcher for our 2 year window that we have left to realistically get another WS championship. I still have no idea how we are suppose to replace Waino, Molina, Holliday, Peralta's production in 2017.

We could be dangerously thin at pitcher too real fast. Waino's elbow and Wacha's shoulder flare up. Lackey gets old and slow, Lynn starts melting down again at the first sign of trouble. Martinez flames out in the 4th-5th inning too many times etc... We need another top stable pitcher to go up against the other teams top pitchers in the playoffs.

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-08-2015, 05:00 PM

Would do that trade in a heartbeat. One would want that turd Bourjos?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-08-2015, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Would do that trade in a heartbeat. One would want that turd Bourjos?

The guy who put up 1.6 WAR over 294 PAs? Yeah, who would want a turd like that?

I get it; he hit like shit last year, but that's not the only way you can add value, he's three years younger than Jay, and his Steamer projections are better on a per-game basis as well.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 01-08-2015, 06:55 PM

Sounds like Colby Rasmus is about to be a Oriole. How many HR you think he can hit at Camden Yards.

**BigRedChief** · 01-08-2015, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Sounds like Colby Rasmus is about to be a Oriole. How many HR you think he can hit at Camden Yards.

Depends on his Dad.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-08-2015, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Sounds like Colby Rasmus is about to be a Oriole. How many HR you think he can hit at Camden Yards.

I'm sure he'll hit about 20 a year while still being a below average offensive player and you'll hear about as many stories about his dickhead Little League dad, Tony.

Mi_chief_fan · 01-08-2015, 07:08 PM

Didn't it come out after the season that Bourjos had played through an injury most of the season?

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