so Tony Romo cleared up $13M in cap space today ...

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Bart Starr.

The guy was putting up modern rate stats in the 60s when you could all but murder any offensive player. 90 passer ratings, 60+% completion percentages, 8+ YPA.

When you look at guys like Bradshaw and Lenny you have to really adjust for era before the numbers look even tolerable. Starr, OTOH, has numbers that would play all the way through the last decade and he did when cavemen ruled the earth.

Dipshit Clay would just call him a game manager.

SMIFF!

[Bufkin]

Originally Posted by milkman

I still contend that Terry Bradshaw is the most underrated ever.

Sure, he was surrounded by outstanding talent, but those Steelers had to go through somr other outstanding teams, and Bradshaw consistently made big plays in big mome3nts, including outdueling Roger Staubaugh in the SB that still stands as the best ever.

You just cited one of the most overrated QB's of all time as the most underrated QB of all time.

Bradshaw had about as much to do with the Steelers' success as Trent Dilfer did with Baltimore. Difference being, I think Dilfer's stats were a bit better than Bradshaw's. Oh, and Dilfer's receivers were worse.

[Brock]

For god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son

[Hootie]

I'd love for someone to show me a playoff game Romo choked away that doesn't include a botched FG snap (cuz that's what starting QBs should be concentrating on...)

[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I'd love for someone to show me a playoff game Romo choked away that doesn't include a botched FG snap (cuz that's what starting QBs should be concentrating on...)

translated to: don't use a huge moment that shows he choked one of the few playoff games he had a chance of winning

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by RobBlake

translated to: don't use a huge moment that shows he choked one of the few playoff games he had a chance of winning

Name another starting QB who doubled as placeholder ...

Eagerly awaiting

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Name another starting QB who doubled as placeholder ...

Eagerly awaiting

Russell Wilson.... oh, you meant the other definition of placeholder.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I'd love for someone to show me a playoff game Romo choked away that doesn't include a botched FG snap (cuz that's what starting QBs should be concentrating on...)

I agree he's not really the choker he's labeled as, but it's not like he's played legendary in the playoffs either.

And I think people bag on him not just for the playoffs... but all the times the Cowboys seem to be playing an elimination game in week 17 and they blew almost every single one of them. It's not all his fault, but it just comes with playing that position. There are still people here who will argue to the death that both Trent Green and Alex Smith failed the Chiefs in the playoffs even though their offenses lit it up.

[KC_Connection]

Tony Romo career regular season (123 games started): 65.2 CMP%, 5.7 TD%, 2.6 INT%, 7.08 ANY/A, 97.6 passer rating
Tom Brady career regular season (207 games started): 63.5 CMP%, 5.5 TD%, 2.0 INT%, 6.95 ANY/A, 95.9 passer rating
Peyton Manning career regular season (256 games started): 65.5 CMP%, 5.9 TD%, 2.6 INT%, 7.27 ANY/A, 97.5 passer rating

Tony Romo career postseason (6 games started): 61.6 CMP%, 4.3 TD%, 1.1 INT%, 5.87 ANY/A, 93.0 passer rating.
Tom Brady career postseason (29 games started): 62.9 CMP%, 4.9 TD%, 2.4 INT%, 6.10 ANY/A, 89.0 passer rating
Peyton Manning career postseason (24 games started): 64.0 CMP%, 4.1 TD%, 2.6 INT%, 6.48 ANY/A, 88.5 passer rating

Doesn't seem like Romo is faring too badly in either the regular season or the postseason, at least if you compare him to two of the greatest QBs of all time.

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I'd love for someone to show me a playoff game Romo choked away that doesn't include a botched FG snap (cuz that's what starting QBs should be concentrating on...)

NFC Divisional vs. NY Giants (L 21-17) – The Cowboys were the #1 seed in the NFC and swept the Giants in the regular season. In the first half Romo led two 90+ yard touchdown drives. Dallas led 17-14 to start the fourth quarter. The Giants went ahead 21-17. On the next two drives, Romo was 3/9 for 50 yards, and sacked twice. On his last try, Romo had 1:50 and one timeout left, with the ball at the Giants’ 48. The drive only went 25 yards, and Romo’s last three passes were incomplete, including the interception in the end zone on 4th-and-1 from the Giants’ 23.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by GoChargers

NFC Divisional vs. NY Giants (L 21-17) – The Cowboys were the #1 seed in the NFC and swept the Giants in the regular season. In the first half Romo led two 90+ yard touchdown drives. Dallas led 17-14 to start the fourth quarter. The Giants went ahead 21-17. On the next two drives, Romo was 3/9 for 50 yards, and sacked twice. On his last try, Romo had 1:50 and one timeout left, with the ball at the Giants’ 48. The drive only went 25 yards, and Romo’s last three passes were incomplete, including the interception in the end zone on 4th-and-1 from the Giants’ 23.

Wow wow wow wow I was hoping someone brought up the PATRICK CRAYTON game here! This is epic! You fell right into my trap . I'll get into this game in 15 minutes

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by GoChargers

NFC Divisional vs. NY Giants (L 21-17) – The Cowboys were the #1 seed in the NFC and swept the Giants in the regular season. In the first half Romo led two 90+ yard touchdown drives. Dallas led 17-14 to start the fourth quarter. The Giants went ahead 21-17. On the next two drives, Romo was 3/9 for 50 yards, and sacked twice. On his last try, Romo had 1:50 and one timeout left, with the ball at the Giants’ 48. The drive only went 25 yards, and Romo’s last three passes were incomplete, including the interception in the end zone on 4th-and-1 from the Giants’ 23.

Let's look into this one a little further:

Tony Romo was the best player on the field for the Dallas Cowboys THE ENTIRE GAME. This is a great example of why playoff losses aren't always on the QB. He was so good this game it was insane.

Our buddy Amnorix likes to tell us the 18-1 game happened because Tom Brady had no pass protection. He's right. The Giants won that game because Tom Brady was pressured all game long. The Giants held the best offense of all time to 14 points. 14. Tom Brady was hit repeatedly all game long.

Guess what these Giants did to Tony Romo? Tony Romo ran for his life this entire game.

He did lead TWO LONG TD drives in the first half, including 1 that left under a minute in the 2nd quarter. What did the Cowboys defense do? They allowed Eli Manning to cut the game to 14-7 by scoring a TD in under a minute in the 2nd quarter. It was a HUGE momentum change.

Nonetheless, the Cowboys were leading 17-14 in the 3rd quarter on a 3rd and long and Tony Romo made the most amazingly clutch play to escape a pass rush and delivered a bullet *DAGGER* pass to Patrick Crayton that hit him in the numbers and would've probably won Dallas the game because he had nothing but daylight ahead of him:

Watch the play here:



I know, youtube was terrible back then ... but he literally led Crayton into a catch and run for a TD and the dude flat drops it on 3rd and 14.

AND I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE FOLLOWING COMMENT:

including the interception in the end zone on 4th-and-1 from the Giants’ 23.

YES

WITH 13 SECONDS LEFT AND NO TIMEOUTS

TONY ROMO THREW A PASS ON 4TH AND 1 (CAN'T PICK UP A 1ST DOWN IN BOUNDS OR GAME IS OVER) INTO THE END ZONE TOWARDS HIS BEST PLAYER (TERRELL OWENS) THAT WAS INTERCEPTED.

Yet, our buddy GoChargers (idiot), decided to put it in a context that concluded Romo was a huge choker for throwing an interception on 4th and 1 in Giants territory with the game on the line.

HE JUST FAILED TO MENTION IT WAS WITH 13 SECONDS LEFT AND THE COWBOYS HAD NO TIMEOUTS TO STOP THE CLOCK SO THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION WAS TO TRY AND GET TERRELL OWENS IN THE END ZONE LIKE STEVE YOUNG ONCE UPON A TIME.

Kind of like the 4th and 1 play this year against Green Bay to Dez that won them the game until the shitty ass Calvin Johnson catch rule came into effect.

I was really hoping someone brought up this game.

TWO THINGS LOST THIS GAME FOR DALLAS (and the Super Bowl for New England since they wouldn't have lost to Dallas or Green Bay)...

1) Allowing Eli Manning to score in the 1st half with only 53 seconds on the clock from the NYG 29. A touchdown nonetheless. This cut the lead from 14-0 to 14-7. HUGE MOMENTUM SWING.

2) The Patrick Crayton drop. Awful. This was a true choke job here.

But thanks for proving my point. Trying to paint this game as a choke job?! Hysterical.

[TribalElder]

Aww I figured romo belchered himself

[Imon Yourside]

I once saw Tony rescue a kitten from a tree, what a great person yo.

[Red Dawg]

AP will get there. Jerry will throw whatever the Vikes want in a trade.