It's been a long time coming. Adiós.

[OnTheWarpath15]

It's time for me to bow out. It's been almost 10 years, and I'm tired.

Tired of the false narratives. Tired of people arguing the poster instead of the post. Tired of discussing football with people who favor excuses over evidence. Tired of wasting time talking about an organization that hasn't won a playoff game in the lifetime of a college senior. Tired of watching other great posters leaving entirely or posting less, weakening the Football IQ this place was known for 5-10 years ago.

I know posting a thread instead of just walking away will open the door for many to take their cheap shots - we all know who they are - and if you don't, just wait. They'll show themselves. Those of you that know me privately know this has been building for a long time.

With all that said, I'll say what I've always said: This team has talent, but will continually fall short as long as they keep thinking you can win in the postseason consistently with average QB play. You don't put enough pressure on the opposing defense, and it puts too much pressure on your defense - if they don't have a near-perfect day, you lose.

Peters and Conley were great picks and should make an impact in the years to come. Should be fun to watch. (What? According to some, I NEVER say anything positive - just another false narrative) While I doubt he'll get his shot, I'd like to see if Murray can be that franchise guy, or if he fell for reasons other than what people here assume - namely, his height and injury history. Hopefully they get Houston signed long-term, because if they don't they are in deep, deep shit. The defense tends to carry this team, and Houston is the most important cog in said defense.

I've made a lot of great friends here that are still friends to this day, and will continue to be. This place was awesome when it was more community based - when there would be gatherings, tailgates, etc. Now, it's littered with trolls that take advantage of the anonymity of the internet and would never show their face in public. That attitude has weakened this place considerably, IMHO.

For those of you I call a friend, we'll be in touch. If anyone that isn't already a friend privately or on Facebook/Twitter wants to continue to keep in touch, I'll keep my PM's open for a week or so.

Thanks, Kyle. It was fun for a while. Queue the "well, bye/sour grapes" posts in 3...2...1.

[LiL stumppy]

bye

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by BossChief

My best educated guess is they will draft a QB in the first 2 rounds of the 2016 draft.

Reid traded McNabb after the season he was 33yrs old. Alex is 31 now so I'd guess he would want to get a replacement in line to groom in the next year.

We can hope in one hand and shit in the other, per standard operating prochiefsure...

Originally Posted by BossChief

As they should...but with him only under contract through 2017, it would be smart to draft real competition that can compete for the starters role in 2017.

If Murray wins the job, great.

Thing is, they're not "polishing" anything. They've got the best prospects on the squad fetching donuts behind Chase "reliable turd" Daniel.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Holy shit.

It doesn't have to be a black & white 100% refusal, but they are really good at setting themselves up for failure... when they're really bad, they focus on getting a retread in as quickly as possible to get back to mediocrity, and when they're mediocre, they're focused on at least staying mediocre.

It's only been a trend for 4 freakin' decades...

None of these people were involved in what happened in the 80s. That history has zero to do with Reid and Dorsey.

You guys really think Clark Hunt tells them he never wants a hotshot young QB because he wants to go 8-8 every year, because that's what he thinks makes him the most money?

I really would like to know if there are actual humans who believe this.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

And don't try to tell me that Chase "reliable turd" Daniel is the only QB behind Alex on the roster that is "smart" enough to learn and execute Reid's jank-assed, short-bomb playbook.

Nope. Ain't buyin'.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Cochise

None of these people were involved in what happened in the 80s. That history has zero to do with Reid and Dorsey.

You guys really think Clark Hunt tells them he never wants a hotshot young QB because he wants to go 8-8 every year, because that's what he thinks makes him the most money?

I really would like to know if there are actual humans who believe this.

Trying to draft a develop a QB takes time and opens you up for seasons which are well below .500. Teams that are consistently below 8-8 don't make money because no one wants to go to their games. It's too risky.

Similarly, if you do get a QB to pan out and he becomes all-pro level, it becomes incredibly expensive to retain said QB. It's too risky to have that much money tied up in just one player.

The Chiefs' two Super Bowl appearances came with a QB whom was acquired from another team. The last playoff victory came with a QB whom was acquired from another team. Drafting a developing an actual QBotF is not a priority to the ownership and is therefore not a priority with the rest of the front office.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams

And don't try to tell me that Chase "reliable turd" Daniel is the only QB behind Alex on the roster that is "smart" enough to learn and execute Reid's jank-assed, short-bomb playbook.

Nope. Ain't buyin'.

Common sense tells us that there are probably no legitimate prospects to ever be NFL starters on the roster

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Trying to draft a develop a QB takes time and opens you up for seasons which are well below .500. Teams that are consistently below 8-8 don't make money because no one wants to go to their games. It's too risky.

Similarly, if you do get a QB to pan out and he becomes all-pro level, it becomes incredibly expensive to retain said QB. It's too risky to have that much money tied up in just one player.

The Chiefs' two Super Bowl appearances came with a QB whom was acquired from another team. The last playoff victory came with a QB whom was acquired from another team. Drafting a developing an actual QBotF is not a priority to the ownership and is therefore not a priority with the rest of the front office.

Really, do you think the Chiefs have ever lost money? That the team's profitability hangs on the gate receipts each week? The NFL's TV deals are collectively worth something like $40 billion

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Really, do you think the Chiefs have ever lost money? That the team's profitability hangs on the gate receipts each week? The NFL's TV deals are collectively worth something like $40 billion

It's the simplest explanation why a franchise routinely avoids making a move to draft a QB in the first round.

It's too risky and too expensive.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

It's the simplest explanation why a franchise routinely avoids making a move to draft a QB in the first round.

It's too risky and too expensive.

The simplest explanation is that they had no confidence in their ability to select and develop one. The money is neither here nor there when you look at how they paid Jackson, Dorsey, or any of the other non qbs they drafted high.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

It's the simplest explanation why a franchise routinely avoids making a move to draft a QB in the first round.

It's too risky and too expensive.

Right. Clark doesn't want any part of all that revenue that winning the Super Bowl would bring in. He doesn't want a QB he'd have to pay 20 mill instead of 15 mill a year. He doesn't want to be able to raise ticket prices on the level they would after a super bowl. He doesn't want to sell all the new season tickets that would result or get any of the money it would bring in from sponsorships or premium seating and luxury suites or anything else. He doesn't want any of the associated revenue or merchandising or publicity for his team at all. He just sits in his owners box with binoculars counting butts on game day. He wants the vastly higher revenue stream that a middling team provides.

Is that about it?

[ShortRoundChief]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

It's the simplest explanation why a franchise routinely avoids making a move to draft a QB in the first round.

It's too risky and too expensive.

Do you not realize that the salary cap is slotted now. No longer the gazillion $$$ contracts?

Your argument would have held water 5 years ago but not now.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Common sense tells us that there are probably no legitimate prospects to ever be NFL starters on the roster

There's a solution to that, you know.

And it starts above round 3.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams

There's a solution to that, you know.

And it starts above round 3.

And I have no doubt that if they are in need of a starting QB and there's someone worth taking at their draft position they have that year, they would do it.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Cochise

None of these people were involved in what happened in the 80s. That history has zero to do with Reid and Dorsey.

You guys really think Clark Hunt tells them he never wants a hotshot young QB because he wants to go 8-8 every year, because that's what he thinks makes him the most money?

I really would like to know if there are actual humans who believe this.

Since the post you quoted says I don't think that, I'm pretty sure I don't think that... and I'm sure no one else does, either.

History also didn't have anything to do with Pioli or Carl/Herm or Carl/Vermiel, Carl/Marty, or most of the 80s... and here we are.

Just a really, really long string of bad luck, wrong place/time, etc, huh?

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

Do you not realize that the salary cap is slotted now. No longer the gazillion $$$ contracts?

Your argument would have held water 5 years ago but not now.

Well, the Chiefs seem to operate under the assumption that it's 1990, so you're saying they should change their logic in another 20 years or so?