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**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-01-2015, 02:04 PM

It's time for me to bow out. It's been almost 10 years, and I'm tired.

Tired of the false narratives. Tired of people arguing the poster instead of the post. Tired of discussing football with people who favor excuses over evidence. Tired of wasting time talking about an organization that hasn't won a playoff game in the lifetime of a college senior. Tired of watching other great posters leaving entirely or posting less, weakening the Football IQ this place was known for 5-10 years ago.

I know posting a thread instead of just walking away will open the door for many to take their cheap shots - we all know who they are - and if you don't, just wait. They'll show themselves. Those of you that know me privately know this has been building for a long time.

With all that said, I'll say what I've always said: This team has talent, but will continually fall short as long as they keep thinking you can win in the postseason consistently with average QB play. You don't put enough pressure on the opposing defense, and it puts too much pressure on your defense - if they don't have a near-perfect day, you lose.

Peters and Conley were great picks and should make an impact in the years to come. Should be fun to watch. (What? According to some, I NEVER say anything positive - just another false narrative) While I doubt he'll get his shot, I'd like to see if Murray can be that franchise guy, or if he fell for reasons other than what people here assume - namely, his height and injury history. Hopefully they get Houston signed long-term, because if they don't they are in deep, deep shit. The defense tends to carry this team, and Houston is the most important cog in said defense.

I've made a lot of great friends here that are still friends to this day, and will continue to be. This place was awesome when it was more community based - when there would be gatherings, tailgates, etc. Now, it's littered with trolls that take advantage of the anonymity of the internet and would never show their face in public. That attitude has weakened this place considerably, IMHO.

For those of you I call a friend, we'll be in touch. If anyone that isn't already a friend privately or on Facebook/Twitter wants to continue to keep in touch, I'll keep my PM's open for a week or so.

Thanks, Kyle. It was fun for a while. Queue the "well, bye/sour grapes" posts in 3...2...1.

Brock · 07-08-2015, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

There are about 45 million reasons that say they do.

Are you kidding? First they won't spend big dollars on a qb, then when they spent average dollars on a retread, that means they feel they can win the super bowl with him?

Jesus.

Eleazar · 07-08-2015, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Does Todd Blackledge vindicate Carl Peterson for passing on Aaron Rodgers?

Almost every team in the league "passed on Aaron Rodgers".

**RealSNR** · 07-08-2015, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

Almost every team in the league "passed on Aaron Rodgers".

That's not an excuse.

If you're an owner who wants to try getting a flashy young QB to build a dynasty, and you also want to bring him along with a pretty good coach and solid team behind him, you have to start taking chances on those QBs like Aaron Rodgers who fall to you.

You're not going to get back into the top 5 if you're obsessed with the veteran QB with the supportive defense.

"Most teams passed" is not an excuse. These are first round prospects on everybody's draft boards that are falling to us and we're content to draft shitty ****s instead. "Everybody else passed" is not an excuse for the Chiefs to not draft Aaron Rodgers. It's not an excuse for the Chiefs to not draft Teddy Bridgewater. Not when you're built the way we are and the way Clark envisioned when he sought to win immediately after 2-14 so he could get back his money through more butts in the seats.

What that tells me is drafting a really good QB prospect actually ISN'T that important to an owner.

Discuss Thrower · 07-08-2015, 06:20 PM

What's been the worst case scenario for a team who drafted a QB early in the draft that didn't involve Oakland?

Would it be Washington and RG3? If so, isn't RG3 busting namely a product of the one of the worst owners in professional sports, Shanahan being a nutjob and RG3 being put in a position to get injured or exposed as a player?

If a team like KC in '14 -with a veteran QB the unquestioned starter, a great RB and a good to great defense with average guys everywhere else- drafted RG3 and let him sit for a season or two behind the starter, are they any worse off than if they did by reaching for a defensive player who was inconsequential in his rookie season anyway?

Eleazar · 07-08-2015, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Are you kidding? First they won't spend big dollars on a qb, then when they spent average dollars on a retread, that means they feel they can win the super bowl with him?

Jesus.

You don't think Reid and Dorsey believe they can win the Super Bowl with Alex Smith?

Lex Luthor · 07-08-2015, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

Were you also a "Geno at 1.1" disciple?

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Does Todd Blackledge vindicate Carl Peterson for passing on Aaron Rodgers?

Why won't you answer Cochise's question?

Brock · 07-08-2015, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

You don't think Reid and Dorsey believe they can win the Super Bowl with Alex Smith?

I'm sure they believe there's a chance. He's here because he was their best chance at getting the team respectable again quickly. I don't think they view him as a likely super bowl qb though. Who would?

Discuss Thrower · 07-08-2015, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

Why won't you answer Cochise's question?

Because it's irrelevant to seeing it was advantageous to take Bridgewater instead of Dee ****ing Ford.

And, for the record, once Geno's character and work ethic concerns were publicized it made sense to pass on him at the #1 overall spot.

Just Passin' By · 07-08-2015, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Because it's irrelevant to seeing it was advantageous to take Bridgewater instead of Dee ****ing Ford.

And, for the record, once Geno's character and work ethic concerns were publicized it made sense to pass on him at the #1 overall spot.

It made sense to pass on Geno Smith at 1.1 from day one.

**RealSNR** · 07-08-2015, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

Why won't you answer Cochise's question?

It's irrelevant to the Thrower's argument, that's why.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 07-08-2015, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

It made sense to pass on Geno Smith at 1.1 from day one.

No.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-08-2015, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams

No.

Yes

Eleazar · 07-08-2015, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

What's been the worst case scenario for a team who drafted a QB early in the draft that didn't involve Oakland?

Would it be Washington and RG3? If so, isn't RG3 busting namely a product of the one of the worst owners in professional sports, Shanahan being a nutjob and RG3 being put in a position to get injured or exposed as a player?

Well, they traded what, 3 firsts and some change to move up from the top 10 to #2 and get him? Someone whose body was never going to hold up in the league and can't make the reads needed for a true NFL offense.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-08-2015, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

What's been the worst case scenario for a team who drafted a QB early in the draft that didn't involve Oakland?

Eleazar · 07-08-2015, 10:35 PM

I suppose the worst case scenario for a QB bust is that you set your franchise back 3-4 years and by then your roster has aged out, your GM and HC have run out of time, so you end up starting over after a housecleaning. Maybe draft pick poor because of what it took you to move up.

07-01-2015, 02:04 PM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2121115	It's been a long time coming. Adiós. It's time for me to bow out. It's been almost 10 years, and I'm tired. Tired of the false narratives. Tired of people arguing the poster instead of the post. Tired of discussing football with people who favor excuses over evidence. Tired of wasting time talking about an organization that hasn't won a playoff game in the lifetime of a college senior. Tired of watching other great posters leaving entirely or posting less, weakening the Football IQ this place was known for 5-10 years ago. I know posting a thread instead of just walking away will open the door for many to take their cheap shots - we all know who they are - and if you don't, just wait. They'll show themselves. Those of you that know me privately know this has been building for a long time. With all that said, I'll say what I've always said: This team has talent, but will continually fall short as long as they keep thinking you can win in the postseason consistently with average QB play. You don't put enough pressure on the opposing defense, and it puts too much pressure on your defense - if they don't have a near-perfect day, you lose. Peters and Conley were great picks and should make an impact in the years to come. Should be fun to watch. (What? According to some, I NEVER say anything positive - just another false narrative) While I doubt he'll get his shot, I'd like to see if Murray can be that franchise guy, or if he fell for reasons other than what people here assume - namely, his height and injury history. Hopefully they get Houston signed long-term, because if they don't they are in deep, deep shit. The defense tends to carry this team, and Houston is the most important cog in said defense. I've made a lot of great friends here that are still friends to this day, and will continue to be. This place was awesome when it was more community based - when there would be gatherings, tailgates, etc. Now, it's littered with trolls that take advantage of the anonymity of the internet and would never show their face in public. That attitude has weakened this place considerably, IMHO. For those of you I call a friend, we'll be in touch. If anyone that isn't already a friend privately or on Facebook/Twitter wants to continue to keep in touch, I'll keep my PM's open for a week or so. Thanks, Kyle. It was fun for a while. Queue the "well, bye/sour grapes" posts in 3...2...1.
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07-08-2015, 06:20 PM	#544
Discuss Thrower "You like to drink?" Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: "I like to drink." Casino cash: $-260000	What's been the worst case scenario for a team who drafted a QB early in the draft that didn't involve Oakland? Would it be Washington and RG3? If so, isn't RG3 busting namely a product of the one of the worst owners in professional sports, Shanahan being a nutjob and RG3 being put in a position to get injured or exposed as a player? If a team like KC in '14 -with a veteran QB the unquestioned starter, a great RB and a good to great defense with average guys everywhere else- drafted RG3 and let him sit for a season or two behind the starter, are they any worse off than if they did by reaching for a defensive player who was inconsequential in his rookie season anyway? __________________ Chiefs 2016 Opponents: Home: JAX, TEN, NO, TB, NYJ. Away: HOU, IND, ATL, CAR, PIT Chiefs 2017 Opponents: Home: BUF, MIA, PHI, WSH, AFC North. Away: NE, NYJ, NYG, DAL, AFC South
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07-08-2015, 10:35 PM	#555
Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	I suppose the worst case scenario for a QB bust is that you set your franchise back 3-4 years and by then your roster has aged out, your GM and HC have run out of time, so you end up starting over after a housecleaning. Maybe draft pick poor because of what it took you to move up.
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