Chiefs Elite QB's Smith has deafeted the last 4 years - Page 13

Titty Meat · 07-11-2015, 12:07 AM

Rodgers
Brady
Wilson
Brees
Rothlisberger
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Why can't a talented team with Smith compete?

Just Passin' By · 07-12-2015, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

In 2011, that team was 31st in pass attempts - 29th in passing yds - 24th in passing TDs. I'm sure it was someone else's fault because they weren't counting on Alex to do anything other than not turn it over, where they ranked 1st in the league.

Now you're moving the goalposts.

2001 Patriots:

8th in rushing attempts
24th in passing attempts

2005 Steelers:

1st in rushing attempts
32nd in passing attempts

Discuss Thrower · 07-12-2015, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Ok, once again it's all about you demonstrating that you're a complete idiot. Congrats! You've done it.

Tapout acknowledged. Thanks for playing, jackass.

BlackOp · 07-12-2015, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

How can anyone who doesn't understand the importance of a franchise qb complain about objectivity?

Objective enough to know there are realistically maybe 7 QB's that fit that definition....and honest enough to know that none have been available since Reid took over a 2-14 team. There hasn't even been a QB worth moving up in the draft for...

I've stated that since KC's roster is looking pretty well rounded...that they might actually look to drafting one (highly) next year. Even if you hate Smith..his presence will allow them to develop QBs the way they need to be developed.

Without Smith...KC is essentially the Bills or Texans.

With Kelce being moved to a starting role...I'm optimistic in seeing Smith play with the best set of skill positions he's had in his career. He's not Brady..he needs talent around him...but he's not pure shit either.

Mile High Mania · 07-12-2015, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Now you're moving the goalposts.

2001 Patriots:

8th in rushing attempts
24th in passing attempts

2005 Steelers:

1st in rushing attempts
32nd in passing attempts

Difference being elite and multiple rings.

Just Passin' By · 07-12-2015, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Difference being elite and multiple rings.

Neither Brady nor Roethlisberger was considered elite when they won their first Super Bowls, and they obviously didn't have multiple rings at the time. You're using a hindsight argument to buttress an unfair position.

Also, I didn't claim that he was elite, because he's not. I simply stated that your analysis was unfair, because the failure to get his team "over the hump" in 2011 was not on him. He didn't do much in that game, but he did enough for his team to win, if not for Williams' mistakes.

ViperVisor · 07-12-2015, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

In 2011, that team was 31st in pass attempts - 29th in passing yds - 24th in passing TDs. I'm sure it was someone else's fault because they weren't counting on Alex to do anything other than not turn it over, where they ranked 1st in the league.

49ers had 188 2nd half passes compared to 261 in 1st half. Coach played it safe.

Harbaugh and Co. and front office after years should be questioned for the lack of a passing game.

O-Line always hulks who other than LT were never good pass blockers.

Vernon Davis 26 TDs previous 4 years. 26 last 4.
Frank Gore stops catching passes.
Crabtree is meh
AJJ pick was bad.
Braylon Edwards signed and dropped in 1 season.
Bring in cast offs Moss and Manningham
Drafted a 2nd TE who has done nothing
Stevie Johnson *he was actually a nice #3 and was under utilized
Brandon Lloyd reunion *actually might of won that KC game with a catch

What has saved them is the absolute gift of Boldin for a 7th round pick.

There is no consistent thread.
Take an Andy Reid team. You know what he likes to do and that's what has played out despite having to deal with something other than All-Pros.

smith11 · 07-13-2015, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams

If I see Smith step in and throw short and quick over the middle this year, I may literally shit myself in disbelief.

i am sure you will shit yourself no matter what happens this season

MMXcalibur · 07-13-2015, 01:49 AM

I've only read the last handful of posts and if there's one thing I will take away from this it's that I thank ****ing Christ I don't need to hear the name Mike McGlynn ever again...

TLO · 07-13-2015, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

He was complete shit in that game. Stop lying.

You will pay me $1000 if Alex Smith leads this team to the Super Bowl this year.

If he doesn't, I pay you $25.

Do you accept my terms and conditions?

Brock · 07-13-2015, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

Objective enough to know there are realistically maybe 7 QB's that fit that definition....and honest enough to know that none have been available since Reid took over a 2-14 team. There hasn't even been a QB worth moving up in the draft for...

I've stated that since KC's roster is looking pretty well rounded...that they might actually look to drafting one (highly) next year. Even if you hate Smith..his presence will allow them to develop QBs the way they need to be developed.

Without Smith...KC is essentially the Bills or Texans.

With Kelce being moved to a starting role...I'm optimistic in seeing Smith play with the best set of skill positions he's had in his career. He's not Brady..he needs talent around him...but he's not pure shit either.

I Have never felt he was pure shit. He's also not the guy to take your team beyond respectability. KC isn't head and shoulders better than buffalo or houston with smith either. You can't get a better illustration of that fact than last year's standings. Maybe they will be now that the bills are infected with Matt cassel, but they haven't been to this point.

BlackOp · 07-13-2015, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

I Have never felt he was pure shit. He's also not the guy to take your team beyond respectability.

Smith is a bit of an enigma...we all know his career path and how dysfunctional the 49er's were early on. Once there was stability...he showed promise. It's interesting how divisive he is among fans.

He could easily be 3-0 in the playoffs...and appeared in a SB. He has a 10 TD to 0 INT playoff clip. He looked great..rallying his team against the Saints. He put up one the best statistical performances in PO history against the Colts. He was the highest rated QB when he was benched. He's had a lot of strange shit happen to him...which was out of his control. He didn't drop two punts or cause 6 injuries. I think he gets blamed for things that arent his fault. He has had his teams in a position to win in all 3 playoff games...that's a good sign. All the above is why I'm optimistic....He's not Brady...but he's not Dalton either. He is the best option that's been available since Reid took over...and KC is competitive again. Unlike any KC QB since Montana..he has ACTUALLY won a Playoff game..

If he doesn't produce this year...with the best roster of his career...THEN I will be critical of him. Both KC's starting WRs are gone...because they sucked in this offense.

**BossChief** · 07-13-2015, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoke

You will pay me $1000 if Alex Smith leads this team to the Super Bowl this year.

If he doesn't, I pay you $25.

Do you accept my terms and conditions?

He already bet me that Alex would NEVER win another playoff game.

If he does, Clay buys me 2 tickets to the next playoff game.

If he retires without ever winning another playoff game, I buy him a pair of Chiefs tickets the next year.

Mile High Mania · 07-13-2015, 03:34 PM

I think the bottom line is this --- more often than not, you need a top QB to be consistently in the playoff race and win in the playoffs. You can point to a handful of games and say 'he' beat those other QBs if you like, but in the end, he hasn't proven to be the guy that can take the team to victory when push comes to shove. A great ground game and a great defense can get you so far.... at some point, you need the QB to do something. And, that QB will need a few legit targets.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 07-13-2015, 04:55 PM

Are we still discussing Smith's cautious vagina up in here?

Carry on.

Stargazer · 07-13-2015, 07:16 PM

Alex has been on teams that have won slightly impressive regular season games. Alex Smith has won 1 playoff game in a 10 year career.

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